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  •  about the Virginia thing (0+ / 0-)

    I respect the positions on both sides of this debate.  I have my own opinion.

    I just want to ask, how did the Virginia issue w/Mike Stark & G. Allen wind up in the end?  Was Mike Stark ineffective?  How was the "Macaca" controversy unfortunate?  

    Just asking, not being jerky.

    •  I think it's different (3+ / 0-)
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      because it was a public event.  And the "Maccaca" thing was a public event.  And a public statement.  

      Public territory, to my mind, is open territory.

      Laws are spider webs through which the big flies pass and the little ones get caught. ~Honoré de Balzac

      by hopesprings on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 10:38:42 AM PDT

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    •  Mike Stark was not part of the original Macaca (6+ / 0-)

      that was a UVa student born in Fairfax County (Allen was born in California) named S. R. Sidarth who was of South Asian background.

      Mike's several confrontations with Allen became something of a distraction for the Webb campaign, which had to point out he had no relation with the campaign, not even as a volunteer.  The first incident might have worked marginally against Allen but the 2nd undid anything that was gained from the first.  

      Please do not confuse Stark's going after Allen with Allen's remarks towards a 20 year old college student who was functioning as Webb's "tracker" and who had introduced himself to Allen so that the now former Senator would know who he was.  It was ironic that Allen was welcoming him to Virginia, and it infuriated Webb that Allen's attitude was that the people of the area, from which Webb is in large part descended, were racist:  Sidarth had stayed with relatives of Webb the night before.

      The Macaca incident damaged Allen - first his campaign handled it very badly.  Second, it legitimized talking about several things, most especially his tendency to bully people: one writer from the very Republican Richmond Times Dispatch wrote specifically about it.  Third, it connected with the piece Ryan Lizza did about Allen's racism and legitimized that story, bringing Ken Shelton, a former teammate, out in public.  Finally, when Allen then mishandled the question about his grandfather (and hence his mothe) having been Jewish, that put him on a teeter, from which he fell when he attacked Webb for the now Senator's books.  

      Stark was probably set up in the 2nd incident, but the press in part of the state was of him being led off in handcuffs and an implication that he was harrassing Allen.  

      Those who can, do. Those who can do more, TEACH! If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy

      by teacherken on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 11:08:57 AM PDT

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      •  I was just referring to the hotel (0+ / 0-)

        the incident where he was tackled when trying to ask a question about the Macaca thing.

        I didn't realize there was any measurable harm from the tackling incident.  I thought it kept the whole issue in the news and helped drive home the perception that Allen was/is a man who certainly exhibits racist tendencies.

        I know very well how it all started.  It would be even more stupid for Allen to say welcome to Mike Stark and call him Macaca.  I'm not that uninformed.  I was just asking how the tackling incident was unfortunate.  I wasn't clear.  Thought it was obvious and well known where Mike Stark was involved.

        thx for the response but I still am missing how it was unfortunate in the end.  

        •  first incident was a distraction (1+ / 0-)
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          it may have been a net positive, albeit not a large one

          the 2nd incident totally cancelled out any benefit from the first.

          FWIW  both Sidarth and Stark are on a panel along with Lane Hudson who exposed what Mark Foley had been doing.  I do not plan to attend.

          Those who can, do. Those who can do more, TEACH! If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy

          by teacherken on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 12:17:33 PM PDT

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        •  one other thing (0+ / 0-)

          I didn't mention it, but in the Virginia tackling incident, I don't think Mike Stark made himself the story, he was aggressively asking a question.  The Allen thugs tackled him and, at that point, he became part of the story.  

          He may be a self promoter who injects himself into a story, but I don't see how that was the case in Virginia.

          hope that makes sense.......

      •  my impression as well (0+ / 0-)

        I said something similar below, though I put the matter in starker terms than you.

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