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  •  One thing you forget... (0+ / 0-)

    ... is that they had to choose from the submissions.

    I can guarantee you that the vast majority of submissions were from men.  It's not that women't couldn't have submitted questions, it's that for the most part, they didn't.

    I should know, I decided not to bother myself.

    •  Why do think that? (0+ / 0-)

      What are you basing that on? The fact, is, there are a lot of women vloggers. Have you looked at the video pages of YouTubers?

      Regardless, even if they had more submissions from men, they still should have had an equal balance of questions from both genders and all races.

      •  Because it's part of my profession... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... and while there are a number of women who have the technical capability, the truth is that we're also a damn sight more cynical about the political process.  I chose not to film and submit anything because I felt that it was an empty exercise.  I long since decided that if I want to buttonhole a candidate on an issue, I'll hie myself up to NH and sit down at one of their coffeeshop meetups.  

        Your mileage may vary.

        Regardless, even if they had more submissions from men, they still should have had an equal balance of questions from both genders and all races.

        Why?  Why shouldn't they make the questions representative of the actual submissions?  Some artificial "fairness" makes the whole thing utterly effing subjective; I find it more fair to try and represent the reality of the submittors rather than some hackneyed quota system.

        I suspect (having done some similar processes for group question submissions without the video) that the submissions were grouped by similar or identical questions; then the best quality (video and diction) were chosen for each question.  I rather doubt there were any conscious biases — mind you, unconscious prejudices against accents did likely apply.

        And this wasn't NPR.  This was CNN and Google.  I don't believe either of them is covered by any mythical "Fairness Doctrine".  They were looking for the most compelling videos, so that's what you saw.

        •  You make good points. (0+ / 0-)

          Still, being a member of the female electorate, from my point of you, I did feel very underrepresented by that debate and had a harder time "connecting with" it - because of the underrepresentation from my gender.

          But I guess, all and all, if it matters to me that much, I oughta be making noise over at the CNN site....

          or not.

          Great points you made, though.

      •  You go girl. (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Yeah I've heard others say too (1+ / 0-)
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      that the demographic of YouTube is young and male and that's why there were only 24% of the questions chosen from women.

      It's probably true that more women submitted than women. But, STILL, if women make up 54% of the population and 60% of the voters - I think we need to have a substantial number of questions SELECTED for the actual debate, regardless of how many were submitted!

      Anyway, it will interesting to see what happens at the GOP YouTube. Ordinarily I'd avoid a GOP debate just because it would make my blood pressure boil, but, my curiosity about the questions will probably get the best of me!

      •  Wrong, wrong, wrong. (2+ / 0-)
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        if women make up 54% of the population and 60% of the voters - I think we need to have a substantial number of questions SELECTED for the actual debate, regardless of how many were submitted!

        I find your premise unacceptable, that somehow you have to skew the selection from voluntary submissions to represent the actual population.  Also, what we can't see is how many of the questions submitted were duplicates, from both men and women, and what the selection criteria were.  It's most likely to be a quality issue; if you have a high audio/video quality submission and a mediocre one, you're going to choose the hidef over the other, regardless of race/gender/age/what-have-you.

        And more younger people have video expertise than older, and more men than women.  Except at my house :)

        If "representing the voting population" were the main criterion, you'd have a MUCH larger number of people over 50 than under, because the actual voting population is skewed to older voters.

        I think that choosing to represent the actual submitting population (which is more likely to be younger and male) is, frankly, fairer.  And I'm neither young nor male.

        •  Not to mention. . . (0+ / 0-)

          those numbers (54% and 60%) are made up.

          According to the census, women are 51% of the population.  According to the Rutgers PDF linked by the diarist under the tag "electorate," 67.3 million women reported voting in 2004, vs. 58.5 million men.  My calculator says that's 53.5%.

          Granted, that doesn't undermine her larger point.  But I'd like to see the numbers substantiated or corrected.

          Undecided, due to abundance of good choices. Interestingly, I've never heard a Republican say that.

          by cardinal on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 10:54:33 AM PDT

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        •  Well, you might be right about the "fairness"... (0+ / 0-)

          point. Perhaps it is "fairer" to mirror the YouTube demographic rather than mirror the CNN demographic, the Google demographic, or the voting demographic.

          And, if you are right that the YouTube demographic is primarily male (who knows the facts on that? I'd love to see the stats....) - then perhaps it was more "fair".

          All I know is a big hunk of the electorate was left out and I'm not sure that that's wise.

          It may not read well for future televised debates if the female viewers start dropping off.... advertisers care about that... right?

          There's so many people who have a dog in this fight.

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