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  •  Diversity is a good thing don't knock it (1+ / 0-)
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    Or maybe I misunderstood.  I understand your frustration in previous diaries about outsourcing and undocumented workers undercutting American workers, but that should never ever get in the way of embracing those who aren't like ourselves.

    I'd say hard times have come to Kossacks too, many talk of bouts of unemployment and underemployment but all the same there are probably those who come here to escape their worries in a sense and don't want to talk about themselves.

    But if you live in a safe protected upperclass world, I do think you don't really get what life is really like in the YOYO society we live in.  I have seen some folks who post here who exhibit signs of that malady. I swear I was like that in my own safe little world -- not paid handsomely but lucky to have that nice stable job with a great boss right up until the day I was told it wasn't needed anymore when the funding for it was yanked.

    Now I know the fear of not having job stability or a clear cut career path. I'm a "contractor" so I'm not an employee and don't have as lush benefits as the employees get.  More education (I have a BA in History) might get me a better position but who can afford that at 18 percent interest for education loans?

    •  you misunderstood (1+ / 0-)
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      I've never written a story about illegals.  then, no, illegals has nothing to do with the disparity of economic justice in the U.S., although special interest groups are trying to frame it that way currently.

      Most economics will show you that illegal workers depresses wages, of course they do which is why the US Chamber of Commerce lobbies for it so much.

      I am aware of this but I talk about professionals and thus H-1B and L-1 guest worker Visas.  

      So, trying to claim that the illegal issue is somehow diversity is wrong...

      and YES, our group is over 50% "diverse" and I have highlighted repeatedly on the H-1B is used to engineers, women, older engineers have been disproportionately cast diversity is very important, that's that U.S. diversity and most assuredly is not the illegal immigrant equation.

      by BobOak on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 02:33:45 PM PDT

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    •  diversity (2+ / 0-)
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      Let me put it another way.  

      If you see an entire division of 300 workers and every single one of them is on a H-1B Visa, from one region only in India, one caste,  all male, all between the ages of 26-31, is that diversity?

      If you go to a construction site and see nothing but young Hispanic males, ages 17-26, all illegal, when there are construction unions, is that diversity?

      When you see zero women technical leaders in an entire company, yet women have 5% of the top tier engineering qualifications from U.S. universities, is that diversity?

      If you see an entire corporation with no a single person having one gray hair on their head, is that diversity?

      When you see that disabled people get 4% of all Bachelors degrees in the United States yet only 1% of them are actually employed, is that diversity?

      We need to look at the statistics versus the rhetoric I think.

      by BobOak on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 02:56:31 PM PDT

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      •  Good I'm glad I misunderstood! (2+ / 0-)
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        Been a long day in the salt mines yah know?  This issue was very important to my old employers -- I was tasked with running the numbers from the self reported data and it was sad.  The program was literally blind, the applicants didn't get interviewed in person and ethnicity, birthplace, birthdate and gender was hidden from the experts reading the applications.  But still given the pathetic numbers of minority and native born graduates, the numbers were always small.

        I think modern job hunting the auto HR filtering causes LESS diversity in the workplace.  That's sad.

        •  in tech (0+ / 0-)

          We have ads that literally say "H-1B Visa holders only need apply" and blatant discrimination by claiming "oh so and so isn't technical enough"...when often they have more skills and education in their pinkie than the interviewer.

          Yes, I am and everyone is our group is extremely committed to the original ideals of diversity and equal opportunity in the United States.  Before these global labor issues came along it was bad and now it's gone into the toilet!

          by BobOak on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 03:35:37 PM PDT

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