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  •  Good luck... (3+ / 0-)
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    NonnyO, Positronicus, Jimdotz

    if you think GB and DC would ever admit wrongdoing.  IF they admit wrongdoing, that's immediate admission of guilt of a number of prosecutable crimes.  They would never "apologize."...

    •  They'll never apologize (9+ / 0-)

      They don't believe they've done anything wrong.  They really believe that codswallop about the 'unitary executive.'

      Ergo, the necessity of the impeachment proceedings and the trial.

      As Nichols said, even in the lax media the war crimes are already documented.

      In many respects, all they'd need to do is play the sound bytes from any media to document the war crimes.

      The rest is patently obvious.

      "War is contempt for life." To Youth/Nordahl Grieg

      by NonnyO on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 08:39:34 PM PDT

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    •  So (2+ / 0-)
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      FreeFallin, junta0201

      then can we impeach Nancy?

      "Rarely in the history of the law have so few undone so much so quickly" Justice Stephen Breyer - Supreme Court

      by MadAsHellMaddie on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:02:15 PM PDT

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      •  It's pretty unclear whether (1+ / 0-)
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        antifa

        impeachment applies to members of Congress, but I've thought about it too.  She's a disaster on this issue.

        •  I think it applies (1+ / 0-)
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          mrcoder

          to any Government offical.

          "Rarely in the history of the law have so few undone so much so quickly" Justice Stephen Breyer - Supreme Court

          by MadAsHellMaddie on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:09:54 PM PDT

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          •  You could be right. (2+ / 0-)
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            Susan Something, Jimdotz

            It just seems that many things I've read seem to be at issue with it:

            From Wikipedia:

            The central question regarding the Constitutional dispute about the impeachment of members of the legislature is this: Are members of Congress "officers" of the United States? The Constitution grants to the House the power to impeach "The President, the Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States." Many believe firmly that Members of Congress are not "officers of the United States." Many others, however, believe that Members are civil Officers and are subject to impeachment. The House of Representatives did impeach a Senator once, Senator William Blount. The Senate expelled Senator Blount and, after initially hearing his impeachment, dismissed the charges for lack of jurisdiction. Left unsettled was the question "Are members of Congress civil officers of the United States?" In modern times, expulsion has become the preferred (albeit rare) method of dealing with errant Members of Congress, as each House has the authority to expel their own members—without involving the other chamber, as impeachment would require.

            •  Everything I've read about impeachment (3+ / 0-)
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              says that members of congress are not illegible for impeachment.  Here's an excellent piece about it in detail:

              http://writ.lp.findlaw.com/...

              And regarding who a "civil officer" is per the constitution, I've posted this many times, but I find it very clear whenever this question arises.  From John Dean:

              The Constitution's Impeachment Clause applies to all "civil officers of the United States" - not to mention the president, vice president and federal judges. It is not clear who, precisely, is among those considered "civil officers," but the group certainly includes a president's cabinet and sub-cabinet, as well as the senior department officials and the White House staff (those who are issued commissions by the president and serve the President and Vice President).

              "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi

              by Susan Something on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 12:30:02 AM PDT

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          •  Impeaching Members of Congress (0+ / 0-)

            It would appear that impeachment does not apply to members of Congress; it is mentioned explicitly in the case of the executive branch and implicitly in the case of the judicial branch.

            It is a moot point however, as Article I specifically provides that either house of Congress can expel a member by a two-thirds vote.

      •  How about (0+ / 0-)

        trying to impeach the Republican members of Congress first??? Just try to realize who the real culprits here are.

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