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  •  Sure we do (9+ / 0-)

    I'm not as apocalyptic as many here, though that doesn't make me less impatient.  We've had corrupt, corporate-controlled government before.  We've survived depredations on the Constitution too.  The current situation is bad, but the Bushevik radicals have clearly reached the end of the line.  

    There is a colossal amount of inertia in the system of institutionalized corruption our government has become, and powerful forces don't want change.  But this is America:  we have our Constitution and our ideals; we have a history that shows we can overcome this challenge; we have momentum on our side.

    Gird up for the Long War.  It's not the one Bush and Rumsfeld flog, because they're on the wrong side in this one.  And, impeachment or not, their side is going down.

    Prematurely anti-Bush since 1999.

    by Dallasdoc on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:17:17 PM PDT

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    •  I'm not apocalyptic either. (2+ / 0-)
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      ... but I can't agree with the idea that "Bushevik radicals have clearly reached the end of the line."
      Everytime I think they couldn't possibly do something more craven, they do it.

      And why wouldn't they as there have been no real punsihment for anything they've done.  Sure they lost the House, and the Senate -- but what effect has that had?  

      I see the Bush Administration as a very, very spoiled 4 year old wreaking unholy hell, and I see no adult setting boundaries and meteing out punishment when the boundaries are violated.  What do you expect the 4 year old to do next? I'd say he's going to throw another tantrum or two.  

      A conscientious man would be cautious how he dealt in blood.

      by decon on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 08:14:28 AM PDT

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    •  The glass is 95% empty (0+ / 0-)

      There is a colossal amount of inertia in the system of institutionalized corruption our government has become, and powerful forces don't want change.  But this is America:  we have our Constitution and our ideals; we have a history that shows we can overcome this challenge; we have momentum on our side.

      I really don't see it this way at all.  I don't think we really have our "ideals" except as empty rhetorical stances.  We can blather all we want about rights and freedoms, but Bush & Co bet right:  Americans evidently won't lift a finger to defend their own freedoms when there's a real threat (we're much more worried about national sovreignty than about freedom).

      The many generations of our nation's commitment to empire, capitalism, and exploitation, have done the job on average Americans -- we're generally a selfish, materialistic, xenophobic, fearful group of people.  For a history of overcoming challenges you need to go all the way back to the Depression, when American culture was very, very different -- much more leftist, much less materialistic, much more willing to tear social systems apart and challenge authority.  And the world was very different, too, with Communism and Socialism building to the peak of their power (and thus posing a real threat to American capital, and a real inspiration for American troublemakers).

      As far as momentum is concerned, I couldn't agree less.  Americans have been steeped in capitalism, greed, and empire for the entire lifetimes of probably 90% of our population.  I think people here underestimate the level of outright violence and active dissent it took even to get the non-revolutionary reforms of the New Deal.  And it wasn't just a few years of non-metaphorical fighting -- it was decades and decades, from Haymarket to Ludlow to the San Francisco Docks to River Rouge and thousands of other confrontations in between.

      I really can't even imagine American workers doing any of this any more.  And if anyone tries, the Jay Goulds of the country, and there are many, simply find it too easy to hire half of us to kill the other half.

      And all the time, our society gets further in debt, the wealthy further entrench their power, and the environmental clock clicks closer to midnight, when global warming runs out of control and the ecological disaster becomes literally impossible to overcome.

      "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

      by Pesto on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 02:33:30 PM PDT

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