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  •  IN Wingerworld (26+ / 0-)

    competent lying and scumbaggery are considered assets. Oh how I wish this were a joke.

    Impeachment is not an option ........It is a duty.

    by stevej on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 04:07:17 AM PDT

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      •  As much as they try to deny it (37+ / 0-)

        The Bushies and idiot Republicans claim this war was not about oil, yet the only "benchmark" they seem to care about is Iraq signing the bill to sell oil to 5 multinational corporations at a thin margin and distribute the pennies between the Kurds, Shia and Sunni.  

        This war is definitely about raping Iraq for oil before China and Russia could set up sweetheart deals of their own.

        A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. - Aristotle

        by DWG on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 06:16:52 AM PDT

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        •  China beat us to Sudan's Oil (23+ / 0-)

          Sudan has less oil than Iraq and China got contracts to develop it, so the U.S. has done very little to help Darfur.  China has done very little to stop the genocide too. China also cares about the oil first and the people second.

          We hear many noble claims from governments around the world, but the reality belies those claims. The powerful are still stealing from everyone else.

          "It's the planet, stupid."

          by FishOutofWater on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 07:20:11 AM PDT

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        •  You guys are on the wrong track (0+ / 0-)

          I used to think what you guys did, but it's about SO much more than just oil.

          You have to look at who the biggest friends of the Bush Crime Family are.  Specifically, the Saudi and Bin Laden families.  THAT is why the Bushites are so interested in Peak Oil.  It's also why 9/11 will never be avenged: OBL was simply doing all he could to help his friend in America, George W Bush.

          Prior to 9/11, Bush's presidency was doing as terribly as his fathers, and Congress was giving far too much scrutiny to the criminal enterprises of the Bush Crime Family.

          But 9/11 changed everything.

          No longer did the "war pretzelnit" have to follow those annoying laws, and no longer did the Bush Crime Family need to worry about that pesky accountability.  Post-9/11, they were free to let their lobbyist friends write legislation, make billions of dollars disappear, and increase the national debt more than every "fiscally conservative" president prior.  Combined.  One might also wonder aloud why every "fiscal conservative" president has increased the national debt, while ever liberal one has lowered it and expanded the economy... but that's a discussion the "liberal media" on FOX would rather not have.

          Let's start with 9/11.  It was financed by the Saudi and Bin Laden families.  It was carried out by Arabians.  But somehow... it ends up with attacking Afghanistan and later detouring into Iraq.  Why?

          Because the Bush family always has, and always will, be pursuing a pro-Saudi agenda.  Saudi Arabia is pretty universally hated in the Middle East.  But that is exactly why the Bushites are banging the drum against Iran: because Iran is the last power in the Middle East which can oppose the Arab agenda.

          Iraq had been weakened, but the question of whether they actually possessed WMD was the only thing stopping Arabia's expansion.  That is why, all evidence to the contrary, GWB pushed for destroying the country of Iraq.  Shortly after US forces toppled the Iraqi government, there were numerous reports of westerners, dressed like Iraqis, attacking mosques.  It was the ages old Imperialist trick: brewing up internal strife will allow you to plunder a nation unimpeded.

          Now GWB is desperately seeking an opportunity to invade Iran... but the Iraq thing has turned out far worse than they imagined.  Rather than quickly setting up a puppet dictatorship and moving on, it's turned into a huge quagmire.

          The Conservative's pursuit of Saudi dominance is also the reason GWB sought to overthrow Hugo Chavez.  Every member of OPEC which is not under Bushite/Saudi control is on the table to be destroyed.

          So... what does Peak Oil have to do with all of this?  Well, the Saudi and Bush families have been financed by Arabia's oil for decades.  But now that source is going away, since Peak Oil was hit by Arabia several years ago.  So, that means the Bush/Saudis are leveraging their billions gained from both oil and criminal activity (financing their terrorists via BCCI, the Iran-Contra affair, Jeb & Neil's lucrative Savings and Loan plundering, etc) into both new scams (via The Carlyle Group's war profiteering, and their involvements in groups like Halliburton and affiliate scammers like Enron and BayOil) and in military conquests of countries who have NOT YET hit Peak Oil.

          OPEC is a monopoly (well... it's a cartel, to be exact).  And they are expanding their monopoly to all aspects of the oil industry: from the ground to the pump, it all leads back to the criminal umbrella of OPEC.  GWB's aggression against Iraq, Iran, and Venezuela is just leveraging their takeover of America's military in order to take over OPEC, along with their business partners, the Saudis.

          Another good question is why OPEC is setting the price for domestic sources of oil.  Oil pumped from US sources will a completely different cost structure (since it is not being shipped).  But for some reason... the market allows itself to use a price set by a foreign monopoly.  Seems strange, doesn't it?

          Early in his presidency, GWB was often referred to as "The Arabian Candidate".  That statement summarizes his goals and objectives more perfectly than anything else.

          It's not JUST about the oil, it's about forwarding the Arab agenda.  That's why there was never any talk about attacking Arabia after 9/11, despite their leadership role in the attack (using Afghanistan, and later Iraq, was excellent use of the "Cat's Paw" strategy).  

          That's why OBL will never be captured... and why GWB doesn't really think about him much anymore.  Osama Bin Forgotten.  That's why Cheney would never disclose what happened with his energy task force.  That's why Cheney prevented NORAD from responding on 9/11.  That's why GWB was making a hastily planned visit to a school on 9/11 (because they believed a plane was going to 'visit' the White House).

      •  that was my thought...what changed between 1994 (9+ / 0-)

        and now??? Peak Oil is what. Anybody else notice the quote regarding 911? is is just a typo? at the end cheney talks about "before we can launch further attacks against the United States."

      •  Yes, and with the escalating cost of the war (6+ / 0-)

        we need to find out how much a barrel that oil is now costing -- and change Cheney's cronies for all the costs they've added to it.

        Democrats promote the Common good. Republicans promote Corporate greed.

        by murasaki on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 07:07:48 AM PDT

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      •  When you factor in (6+ / 0-)

        The cost of the war vs the actual amount of oil we could potentially get even if we took everything they had, wouldn't you come out with something like $10/gallon?  Or are the Iraqi field reserves enormously higher than I think?

        Got a problem with my posts? Email me, and let's resolve it.

        by drbloodaxe on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 07:10:13 AM PDT

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        •  Cheney is betting the price is going way up (6+ / 0-)

          And he covers his bets by profiting from the war itself. Haliburton, which he ran, wins from the war and wins from the oil. That's what you call a win/win situation.

          And yes, there is speculation that Iraq has much more more oil than the known reserves. That, of course, is an unknown, but they are betting on it.

          "It's the planet, stupid."

          by FishOutofWater on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 07:25:07 AM PDT

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        •  The US as a whole is paying that much (3+ / 0-)
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          but the oil companies are going to pay much, much less - and then sell it back to us at a profit. It's a scam to make money for the oil companies and ensure that the US has a steady supplier of oil, because everyone's making their grabs right now.

          During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell

          by kyril on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 11:32:42 AM PDT

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      •  Peak oil changed everything especially (3+ / 0-)
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        for those that own a big chunk of an oil services company (which he did not in 1994). But, yes as for why the U.S. government and corporate and military establishment could be sold on what was once obvious madmness, yes peak oil is the ninety plus percent of the difference between then and now.

        We have only just begun and none too soon.

        by global citizen on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 08:30:36 AM PDT

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      •  Yes and no (8+ / 0-)

        Oil is the most fungible commodity on the planet.
        It doesn't matter, in supply terms, who is pumping the oil. If it's being pumped, it's going into the market.  And if we are buying oil, all oil going into the market affects our purchase price for whatever oil we are actually buying.  In truth, we've never depended on gulf oil; very little of the oil actually used in the US is gulf oil.  Most of our oil is from (not surprisingly) closer sources, like Venezuela, Alaska, Mexico, and Canada.  

        So the point of invading Iraq was not exactly that we were in danger of not being able to use that oil.  And the point was not even that we wanted to keep that oil entering the world market at a steady rate (by that standard, we have failed miserably).

        The point of invading Iraq was the oil, all right, but not in the sense of it going into American cars.  It was the oil in the sense of American companies getting sweetheart deals to pump and sell it.

        We wanted to run a puppet government there very much like the banana republics we ran in Central America.  United Fruit pretty much owned Guatemala.  And now American oil companies will own Iraq, as soon as their government ratifies our oil laws and contracts.  We've got a government run by Texas oilmen, and they are going to make a killing in Iraq.

        •  You got it! (5+ / 0-)

          The point of invading Iraq was the oil, all right, but not in the sense of it going into American cars.  It was the oil in the sense of American companies getting sweetheart deals to pump and sell it.

          It always is, and always has been, about corporate robbery of the US government, citizens, taxpayers and customers.  It is, and always has been with Bush(s), about enriching the wealthy and the hell with everyone else...

          •  Then, when they've taken everything... (3+ / 0-)
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            from the U.S. and the American people, the corporations move to places like the United Arab Emirates which provide more sweetheart deals with no pesky legal oversight.

            I suspect that Haliburton had been planning the move to Dubai when it ever appeared that Congress was going to start investigating how contracts are awarded and what the corporations actually do with the money.

            It may be coincidence, but after the Dems took control, it wasn't too much later that Haliburton announced it's move to the U.A.E.

            After stealing our gold and the precious blood of our soldiers, Haliburton should have been told, "Fine, move to Dubai, and pay few, if any, U.S. taxes.  But you will also relinquish all of your current government contracts."

      •  Agreed that is "the way they think" (2+ / 0-)
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        but oil would remain available on the global market. It's only that we'd have to pay someone else (lots of someone elses, actually) to keep our economy growing.

        Instead, they reverted to a 100 year old political mindset long since discarded (well more or less, at least openly): colonialism.  They thought of Iraq as their new India and themselves as the Vice Roys. Not unlike Duke in Doonesbury.

        What a horror they have wrought.....

    •  Let's hire planes that tow banners (7+ / 0-)

      displaying your signature line:

      Impeachment is not an option.......It is a duty.

      Democrats promote the Common good. Republicans promote Corporate greed.

      by murasaki on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 07:06:16 AM PDT

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