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  •  Could it be (33+ / 0-)

    that the warrantless wiretaps were directed at domestic politcal opponents instead of terrorists?  Of course not! The Bush Administration is the only true guardian of our freedooms, and anyone  who says different is a traitor!  Nice catch! Where's your Tip Jar?

    "There are no happy endings in the Bush Administration". - Randall L. Tobias

    by MadRuth on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 05:19:27 AM PDT

    •  i love to get to ring the bell: DING DING DING (14+ / 0-)

      i think, MadRuth, you've hit on the real thing they're trying to hide.

      it ties in with the DoJ and attorney firings... and the methods used to go after people like Gov. Siegelman of Alabama (a truly frightening tale) and Valerie Plame... and just everything: IT's the whole picture, from Iraq, to how 9/11 happened and the absolute dereliction of following up on info, to Halliburton to just everything... this is part of their game plan... it's how they operate

      yes... these people would bring in anyone that would carry out these dastardly deeds...

      but my question is this: in all of this, there must be a way to bring them down... where is it? and when do the good guys show up????

      "Well we don't rent pigs and I figure it's better to say it right out front because a man that does like to rent pigs is... he's hard to stop" Gus McCrae

      by pfiore8 on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 05:39:46 AM PDT

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      •  WE are the good guys (4+ / 0-)

        pfiore8. It's US. Especially if the September vote comes and goes, and the Dems don't muster enough votes to defeat the 'Thugs agenda.

        "Bart! You're saying butt-kisser like it's a bad thing!" --Homer Simpson

        by o the umanity on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 05:43:54 AM PDT

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      •  Yes! and we need to keep the odious (12+ / 0-)

        Siegelman miscarriage of justice front and center.  If you have not read the whenwego diary in the link, then please do.  I agree that Rove's resignation might be related.

        This is a terrible example of what Gonzales can do with his kinglike powers.

        Big boss man..you ain't so big, just tall, that's all.

        by TheFatLadySings on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 05:47:04 AM PDT

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        •  yes READ diary on Siegelman & drational (3+ / 0-)
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          i did yesterday and should have included link... another piece of this puzzle

          hey, drational... i'd volunteer to read stuff... is there some way we can get some of us to each take some material, read it and then try to find some kind of rosetta stone to unlock it all... overlay it all

          we would need somebody to direct the reading... parcel it out in some manner... is it possible, cause we got the eyes and the brains...

          think about it and let me know what you think

          "Well we don't rent pigs and I figure it's better to say it right out front because a man that does like to rent pigs is... he's hard to stop" Gus McCrae

          by pfiore8 on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 05:53:01 AM PDT

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      •  You forgot a biggie... a biggie (3+ / 0-)
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        especially as relates to Delay.

        Anyone remember his calls to the FAA to bring the federal government into cracking down on runaway D legislators when he running his ramrod of gerrymandering mid-cycle in Texas?  DHS also had some role to play but Ridge refused all along to release the records.  FAA, DHS and DPS in Texas were destroying records on all of it.

        Whatever happened to the hearings and investigations into this?  I know he had his knuckles ever so gently rapped but anything else?

        Perhaps, in doing a review of the uses of the dictatorial authorities granted to Bush by cowering simps on the D side and opportunists on the R side, DOJ realized that portions of the authority had been interpreted to allow the federal government to involve itself deeply in such cases and decided not to approve?  Perhaps Delay was simply briefed on what was now known by others, outside of his office and the WH, despite the destruction of documentary evidence, and offered a chance to spin it or told how it should be spun if it were to become public knowledge?

        Beyond the fact that every time you turn around this nation gets rat fucked ever harder by these people, who knows what the hell went on in that talk and I'll be damned if we'll ever find out since it was a discussion with the President and will be buried under executive privilege for the next 18 months before disappearing into the ether as the spineless D ascends to the Oval Office and declares we need to move forward, there are no lessons to learn from the past, we won't gain anything continuing to pursue the GOP's criminal reign in investigations, etc.

        Give me ten lines from a good man and I'll find something in there to hang him. - Cardinal Richelieu

        by lgrooney on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:36:09 AM PDT

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        •  that's why we need some way (1+ / 0-)
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          to get this info together in some cogent way and look at how it relates

          like the way the police do it in a crime or missing person's case... on the board and connecting events

          "Well we don't rent pigs and I figure it's better to say it right out front because a man that does like to rent pigs is... he's hard to stop" Gus McCrae

          by pfiore8 on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:06:52 AM PDT

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      •  I also have suspicions................... (1+ / 0-)
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        ............they were using data mining to make the caging lists of folks prone to voting for Democrats.

        Those lists that landed in Plasts' hands came from somewhere. And I doubt it was the bank accounts summaries that told them who voted how.

        Which reminds me, what is Tom doing these days? Life in VA isn't that far from the power boys. You can drive into DC and have lunch and pick up whole rhemes of lists and go home and send them to...........Rove in Texas, soon. Plenty of time before the elections.

        I know, I know........this truely is tin-foil, but I can't help it. Cynicism has just burst out of me from many angles.

    •  Ironic. DeLay was already under FBI investigatio (1+ / 0-)
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      in March 2004 for his role in the Abramoff-Scanlon bribery and fraud conspiracy.  That was first reported in the WaPo on February 22 (see below).  Didn't the FBI tell the NSA about this?  Didn't anyone read the papers? If so, why did they read him in, anyway?  http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

      A Jackpot From Indian Gaming Tribes
      Lobbying, PR Firms Paid $45 Million Over 3 Years

      By Susan Schmidt
      Washington Post Staff Writer
      Sunday, February 22, 2004; Page A01

      A powerful Washington lobbyist and a former aide to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) persuaded four newly wealthy Indian gaming tribes to pay their firms more than $45 million over the past three years for lobbying and public affairs work, a sum that rivals spending to influence public policy by some of the nation's biggest corporate interests.

      Touting his ties to conservatives in Congress and the White House, lobbyist Jack Abramoff persuaded the tribes to hire him and public relations executive Michael Scanlon to block powerful forces both at home and in Washington who have designs on their money, according to tribe members.

      DeLay was, in fact, tied-in to every major GOP corruption suspect in town, from Bob Ney to Ralph Reed to Enron.

      Question follows: were the G-9 all given the same briefing?

      Since laws were admittedly broken in TSP, everyone involved needs to be called before a Grand Jury, placed under oath, and questioned to determine exactly what was said, back and forth, and what conversations and actions followed.

      Since Tom DeLay -- a convicted felon -- was read-in, it seems to me that the rest of Congress now has a right and a need to know what he and the others were told.  Security has already been breached, and with a passage of time, there is absolutely no reason to keep any of this classified, except to protect the guilty.

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