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  •  That's IMPOSSIBLE! (0+ / 0-)

    I fully support raising taxes on the truly wealthy, while restoring greater equity to our tax system.  But doing so won't come close to paying for what Mr. Curtis advocates.  All politicians, both Dems and Rethugs, promise the IMPOSSIBLE but are never NAILED for doing so. We all agree the following goals are worthwhile, but anyone with any knowledge of public finance, tax policy, and budgetary economics knows these three can't be done simultaneously:
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    1. Providing Universal no-fault Health Care and eliminating the cost to all Americans;
    1. Protecting Social Security for generations to come.
    1. Restoring fiscal responsibility to our Budget.

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    Accomplising 1 and 2 means 3 is gone with the wind. Trillions of  additional dollars will be necessary to accomplish the first, unless there is a legal means to shift all health related services to a not for profit model, and there is not.  "Protecting" Social Security will require hundreds of billions more.  

    While both can be done, its impossible to do so in a "fiscally responsible" manner.  Where is the money coming from? Even King Solomon or Jesus Christ could not get elected if they openly admitted they were planning to impose the largest tax hike in the history of mankind, which is what doing both things would require.

    The first thing I look for in a candidate is a sense of reality.  Don't promise the impossible just to get elected.  That's called lying.  They all do it.  Unfortunately, when a candidate is truly honest, we view them as naive or foolish.  Its sad.

     

    •  Incorreect (9+ / 0-)

      What we have done in this country is to shift our tax burden from foreign corporation to the US population. We give tax incentives to move your company overseas, hire slave labor in third world countries, and buy your products from non-American companies. If instead, we required fair trade - where foreign owned companies pay at least equal to American companies - Where foriegn companies must comply with our standards (both from a labor aspect and an environmental aspect). We could promote a huge increase in providing good American jobs. Jobs that have a living wage, pension plans, health care.  We could promote a healthy environment across this planet.

      Those foreign companies that choose to do business on the cheap will be assessed tariffs equal to that which would bring them in line with our standards. In this fashion, we would bring other country's up to our standards instead of lower ours to match theirs. The revenues generated would be more than enough to cover Social Security, Universal no-fault Health care, balance the budget, and lower the tax burden on American's. With as little as America presently produces and the present deplorable standards of our chief importing country's,the tax base would more than double

      Some nay-sayers whine that the cost of products will increase. That is one of those shoot from the hip lies that sound good until you actually examine the facts. Items produced in America do not sell for more on the shelves. In fact most prices are completely market driven. If you buy a Toyota or  Chevy, the price is the same. As of this writing and a quick check on the internet, the Toyota is actually slightly higher. Conversely, the costs of production relative to labor and benefits are greater for the Chevy. This explains why, with globalization, the income of the middle and even lower upper class has declined. The income of the upper class has increased while CEO's income has skyrocketed. In 1950 the average CEO made 100 times his average worker. Today CEO's make 400 times his average worker. This does not even calculate the loss of benefits and pension plans. Essentially, the savings a company makes by not doing business in America translates into increased profits and not reductions in prices. Prices are Up - Taxes are Up - Income is Down - and Good Jobs are going overseas(the jobs are not that good once they get there).

      You can not solve the problems of this country by declaring them impossible. If you are not happy with the conditions of this country then we are honor bound to solve them.

      •  Right the f**k on, Clint !@!@! (2+ / 0-)
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        Right the f**k on!@!@!

        See Progressive Democrats for America, that left-wing, liberal, hate-site... It is tailor-made for us American people!!

        We need to get a can-do grip on the moderates, right around their throats.  What a bunch of BS that there's no non-profit model for health insurance.  

        What is Medicare but one of the very best low-cost administrative healthcare providers in the world!!  Um, izn't govment non-profit, a-holes?

        Moderates need to get a frickin' education.  Do they think we're stoopid??  

        Do they think we're actually buying the load of crap we get from Hillary and the establishment DLC??  We are merely trying to be polite, but do not piss on my pancakes right here at the Daily Kos diner and call it's maple syrup.  

        Moderates do not pass the smell test....not HRC.  Not Harold Ford.  

        Change is a sweat job, but change will have to be in the making of platforms and incentives, or worthless service corporations will just fold like the cheap tents they are, and we will be well-rid of them.

        How do you like your social revolution? Me, I like it well-done.  Bring back the Constitution, too, Clint, okay??

        In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. -George Orwell Iraq Moratorium

        by ezdidit on Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 11:34:34 AM PDT

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    •  Baloney (4+ / 0-)

      We dump tens of billions into the energy companies, giving them subsidies at the drop of a hat. We just propped up Wall Street at the expense of taxpayers, to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars in the past week alone.

      Universal health care means that for profit insurance companies and the people who work for them will need to find other lines of work to do. The money needed to make Universal Health care a reality can in the most part be funded almost entirely from the cost of eliminating the 'health insurance industry' which never did anything but deny coverage to people in the first place.

      Protecting SSI is as simple as removing the cap on those who pay in, and controlling the maximum allowable benefit going out.

      Some $2 trillion dollars has been spent on a war and occuaption of Iraq. Stopping that madness will go a long way towards restoring fiscal sanity.

      socialist democratic progressive pragmatic idealist with a small d.

      by shpilk on Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 09:06:55 AM PDT

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    •  In addition to the other suggestions, (1+ / 0-)
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      there just needs to be a huge shift in allocation away from the wasteful Defense budget.  Just imagine if we had spent as much on Education as we had on Defense over the last twenty years!

      -8.88, -7.77 THERE IS DEFINITELY NO THREAT WORTH SUSPENSION OF CIVIL LIBERTIES.

      by wordene on Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 10:46:45 AM PDT

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    •  by many measures (1+ / 0-)
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      The savings that the efficiency of a Universal Health Care would provide almost equals the costs of the system.

    •  I fully expect that you will find more reasoned (1+ / 0-)
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      thinking at a DLC think tank like the so-called Progressive policy Institute, where they grow liars and mimes instead of politicians.

      The fallacy of your reasoning is just this:  Mainstream America is ready to do the heavy lifting in order to make Jesus's platform a reality, even if you want to just talk about it on a librul hate-site.

      Or, you could just go root for a Repuglic if you can even find a reality-based Repuglic anymore.  

      I think that moderate is code for Reagan Republican, and we are eating your memes for lunch tomorrow if you want to join us. I'll piss on your plate for you and call it gravy if it makes you feel better.  Seems to me that's what you're doing here.

      In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. -George Orwell Iraq Moratorium

      by ezdidit on Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 11:48:23 AM PDT

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      •  I think the Chicago conference showed them (3+ / 0-)
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        Did you know that none of the presidential candidates attended the DLC conference while all attended YearlyKos. It doesn't take a think tank to know when their relevance has shifted.

        •  Points for finesse, Clint, points for finese. (0+ / 0-)

          Good on yuh.

          We have your back, and thank you for talking sense on election technology.  I just knew a geek could 'splain it.

          In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. -George Orwell Iraq Moratorium

          by ezdidit on Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 03:27:23 PM PDT

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