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  •  Well, the citizens (3+ / 0-)
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    Jay Elias, greenearth, One Opinion

    are the ones who elected people who promised them no-cost service. The citizens are the ones responsible for the bridge collapse; the Governor is their agent.

    •  That's a fair argument... (0+ / 0-)

      ...and I have to respect it.

      The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

      by Jay Elias on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 02:28:41 PM PDT

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    •  I suppose (0+ / 0-)

      that's true as far is it goes, but that is pretty horrible, isn't it? Isn't this just saying the voters deserve a crumbling infrastructure or worse because they voted for republicans?

      It seems to me that the focus should be on those those who preach a morally bankrupt ideology of disparaging government works and promising something for nothing.

      Showing up everyday, 'doing my job.' Also, Rudy Giuliani sux

      by taylormattd on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 02:33:02 PM PDT

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      •  Not horrible (4+ / 0-)

        Voting counts. Choices matter.

        When people vote to fund their local schools or set up a fund for environmental initiatives, good for them -- they deserve the credit.

        When they vote for people who tell them 'I'll cut taxes and you won't lose anything," shame on them.

        •  Not Horrible (0+ / 0-)

          I absolutely hate this argument. I'm all for some personal responsibility and understanding where each individuals choice fits into the "big picture.", but that whole line of reasoning is a complete cop-out when it gets degraded to "its the stupid peoples fault".

          You could just as easily assign responsibility to yourself because you didn't make enough efforts to teach those people that they shouldn't believe that message. Even if you tried, you didn't try hard enough (or we wouldn't be in this mess). So instead of trying to find commonality with other groups and trying to support one another (which includes sharing ideas ie. educating) we shirk our own involvement and blame it on "those people". I highly doubt anyone voted to kill innocent motorist on any ballot. They were manipulated  by leaders they trusted (even if grudgingly). Maybe they're dumb, but you and I are stuck with those dumb people and until we embrace them and get as many of them on our side as possible, we're going to have the same dumb catastrophies.

          If a Republican equated a hapless totally innocent child in Iraq as a terrorist and justifiable target (or acceptable collatoral damage) you'd probably be outraged. They'd say "we'll they should have left Iraq or overthrown Saddam before we had to deal with him. Its their own fault or its their parents fault.  Its certainly not mine." Then you'd wonder how they could fall into the same logical trap you just fell into.

          I'm sorry for the rant, but I just hate to see people take the idea of a good thing like personal responsibility (can't think of a better word) and turn it into an argument for the unnamed horrors humans have inflicted upon one another by segregating themselves from their fellow human beings. My vocabulary could be more descriptive, but I think you can see my point.

    •  Hmmmm... (2+ / 0-)
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      taylormattd, ratador

      except I didn't vote for Pawlenty, so how does that make me responsible?  I am a citizen of MN.

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