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  •  Those were just a couple (13+ / 0-)

    of the odd things adding up to these guys being moles. Arresting cops never took their bandanas, never removed or searched their packpacks etc...

    It was pretty obvious there was something odorous about it.

    The Grasshopper Lies Heavy

    by FrankFrink on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 06:31:09 PM PDT

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    •  So there were clues that enabled the (5+ / 0-)

      police to recognize their own from amongst the other dirty hippies. It is important to learn what those are, and mimic them. Rather than try to rat tem out, instead make them invisible to their compatriots by having them really blend in.

      You guys are brave. Keep on.

      17. Ne5

      In chess you may hit a man when he's down -- Irving Chernev, on Przepiorka v. Prokes, Budapest, 1929

      by Spud1 on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 06:39:01 PM PDT

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      •  Not practical (7+ / 0-)

        First, they would have advance information on their agents.  They know EXACTLY what they're going to look like, be dressed like, if they aren't old friends from the office that they play handball with on Thursday evenings.

        Second, they all have military backgrounds.  They WALK like soldiers, in or out of uniform.  It's amazingly easy to recognize and hard to fake.  There's an economy and precision to the motions.  Civilians rarely learn the Walk.

        Third, there's fundamental grooming.  Clothes crisp, clean, pressed, never extremely old, and well fitted.  Work clothes -- even fatigues and bandanas worn to pretend to be protestors -- will never be worn at home, to play or do Home Improvement.  Your agent provocateur didn't spend all day yesterday on a bus or driving to get to the protest location.  He didn't spend the night sleeping on a concrete floor in somebody's basement before the rally instructions, and he didn't gulp down two cups of fast coffee and call it breakfast (he at least had a donut).

        These guys look alike, they walk alike, they SMELL alike, and it's not like you.  They come from a different country if not another planet.  I know because I was raised there.  

        •  These particular guys (8+ / 0-)

          looked way too well fed and buff to be the Black Bloc anarchists that they were impersonating.

          The Grasshopper Lies Heavy

          by FrankFrink on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 06:56:36 PM PDT

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        •  OK, so then the best thing is to be able to (3+ / 0-)

          recognize who they are, and better, to help the media (if they care - yeah, I know) to be able to spot them.

          From the video, it certainly seemed that the "regular" protesters were trying to calm things down, the the "agent" was ignoring them. What is the right approach in that situation? To give up the ground, turn and walk away and leave them have the agent?

          Tell us more about the planet.

          17. Ne5

          In chess you may hit a man when he's down -- Irving Chernev, on Przepiorka v. Prokes, Budapest, 1929

          by Spud1 on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 07:03:02 PM PDT

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          •  60 minutes (2+ / 0-)
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            KiaRioGrl79, FrankFrink

            once did a special on Drill Sargents.  They showed the DI's secret for always appearing clean, creased, and pressed in sweltering summer weather at Fort Bragg.  It was SIX clean, perfectly pressed uniform shirts hung on a hook in the DI's breakroom.  These guys changed shirts every HOUR in order to never, never allow the appearance of weakness.  This is a Key.  For the military officer, perfect grooming and perfectly controlled body discipline are the foundation of his superiority.  They are how he demonstrates his dominance, because Top Dogs don't sweat.  Top Dogs don't shudder.  Top Dogs don't freeze.  Every single thing he does will be controlled (unless he's drunk or high, which can cause breakdowns).

            He will never be rumpled or dirty.  He will always avoid sweating, and clean up as soon as humanly possible afterwards.  He uses a deodorant or aftershave with a faint pine or citrus scent, that further counteracts human pheromones.  He won't flirt with either ladies or gentlemen, as he is On Duty.  He will always be slightly more alert than anyone else in your group, and his eyes automatically check out every new arrival, catalog exits and barriers, and he listens intently where you have to shake shoulders to get attention from the rest of the mob.

            His planet is a safe, controlled, gated community on Base or in the suburbs, where the grass is never allowed to grow more than a regulation 2.5 inches in height.  All his neighbors have jobs and health insurance, and none of them are behind on a sucker mortgage.  But when he's among YOU, he's in enemy territory, and his paranoia running on full.  He'll never be the person who is obviously nervous.  In fact, he'll look calmer than most.  But you might be able to sense the underlying tension tactilely.  Try touching him.  Your own people won't jump.  He will start to, and then squelch the response.

            Don't know if this will help ... I can spot them fairly easily, of course; all I have to do is look for the guys who smell like Dad.  But most of that is unconscious.

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