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    I call this strategy capturing the middle.
    Reagan moved to left, Clinton moved to the right.
    That's how presidents and congressmen generally get reelected.
    They have their first term to position themselves to the majority position. If they do so successfully they get reelected.
    Sometimes the political landscape changes faster than the candidate can adjust or their own principles (if they have any) won't allow the necessary compromises. Then they loose and become lobbists and such.

    That's Democracy folks.

    We shall overcome, someday.

    by Sam Wise Gingy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 03:51:01 PM PDT

    •  Reagan moved to the left? (7+ / 0-)

      When did that happen?

      Reagan move the country to the right. He didnt move left.

      "Rhymes overflowin', gradually growin', everything is written in a code so it co-in- cide"- Rakim

      by brooklynbadboy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 03:52:50 PM PDT

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      •  That's Democracy folks (1+ / 0-)
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        So you think "Triangulation" is a good thing?

        Bush's post-9/11 counter-terrorism defense policy -- strike hard where they aren't and go easy where they are.

        by William Domingo on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 03:55:37 PM PDT

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      •  Sorry (4+ / 0-)

        Meant to attach that to the comment above yours. And Yeah, I don't remember Reagan ever moving to the Left either.

        Bush's post-9/11 counter-terrorism defense policy -- strike hard where they aren't and go easy where they are.

        by William Domingo on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 03:57:51 PM PDT

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      •  Sandra Day O'connor (0+ / 0-)

        Examples of Reagans moves to the left

        Sandra Day O’Connor nomination
        Negotiation with USSR
        Immigrant Amnesty
        Tax increase 1982
        Earned income credit

        We shall overcome, someday.

        by Sam Wise Gingy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 04:11:52 PM PDT

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        •  Are you kidding? (6+ / 0-)

          Read Reagan's books man. He planned to negotiate all along. The whole point of his tough talk was to bring the Soviets to the negotiating table. The Democrats were totally a non-issue on that front. He had a landslide election at his back.

          Secondly, O'Connor MOVED LEFTWARD over time on the court, but she had a long career in Arizona as a rock-ribbed Goldwater conservative.

          The 1986 Amnesty bill was just a simple part of Reagan's character. He was a Californian and had a long history of being in favor of immigration. Lets not forget that Reagan was an FDR Democrat in his youth.

          Finally the Earned Income Credit was effectively sold as a tax-cut when Reagan signed it into law.

          What I saw was Ronald Reagan using national defense and social issues to dislodge blue collar, unionized whites from the Democratic party. These were the famous "Reagan Democrats" who loved him despite his total anti-union policies.

          Reagan never went out co-opting Democratic issues like Clinton did. He ran as a conservative Republican right down the line, and used his charm and positions on social issues to pull traditional Democrats.

          "Rhymes overflowin', gradually growin', everything is written in a code so it co-in- cide"- Rakim

          by brooklynbadboy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 04:23:12 PM PDT

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          •  O'Connor was pro-choice (0+ / 0-)

            I remember the Regan-Mondale election. Regan was clearly in command of the "middle."

            We shall overcome, someday.

            by Sam Wise Gingy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 04:41:52 PM PDT

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            •  Regan was clearly in command of the "middle." (0+ / 0-)

              I'm having a hard time buying that Reagan was "in the middle". He brought in a lot of the Nixon crooks into his administration, and pardoned others, like the "Co-intel-pro" people. He cut taxes for the wealthy, and raised them for the working class. Yes, that's right, he raised taxes on us "little people". The bottom rate on income tax was 10% until he jacked it up to 15%. He did the same with Social Security, raising it from 10 to 15%. Your employer pays half of your Social Security, but if you're self employed, you pay it all. I had my taxes (income and Social Security combined) go up from 20% of my income to 30% under old "tax cutting hero". And when you try to tell working class Republicans that, they don't believe it. Dummies think they got a tax cut just the millionaires too.

              Bush's post-9/11 counter-terrorism defense policy -- strike hard where they aren't and go easy where they are.

              by William Domingo on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 05:22:22 PM PDT

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              •  In 1984 the electorate was ... (0+ / 0-)

                In 1984 the majority of the electorate had not use for liberals.

                Mondale was not their guy. Reagan was.

                You and I may disagree with the majority, and we may know what's best for the country but that doesn't win elections.

                Unfortunately the package is more important than the contents in the USA as far as presidental elections are concerned.

                Reagan had worked between 1980 and 1984 to either move the nation to his point of view or compromise.

                The O'connor appointment was one such compromise as she was prochoice.

                We shall overcome, someday.

                by Sam Wise Gingy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 05:37:06 PM PDT

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      •  OK (0+ / 0-)

        Its like chess. Whoever controls the middle of the board wins. It doesn't matter much how you do it.

        We shall overcome, someday.

        by Sam Wise Gingy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 05:19:18 PM PDT

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    •  Difference is, I'm being hosed this time. (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm the mark.  Mind if I take it personally that one candidate is admittedly moving right now that I'm all sewn up?  

      Read Obama's 2002 speech against invading Iraq. http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm

      by Inland on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 04:07:31 PM PDT

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