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  •  Yup. (5+ / 0-)

    All of those suggestions you mention are of course needed--I think a big thing that needs to be focused on, and which has gotten scant attention from even a lot of anti-dominionist groups, is general "cult-proofing" of the population (which WOULD largely kick the legs out from under the Assemblies and the neopente groups, among others).

    This is, I am afraid, going to be a longterm effort, and at this point may be more of keeping the dominionist cancer in remission for now until the "national immune system" can kick in--but I do think we can do it :3

    •  cult-proofing is key (4+ / 0-)

      Problem is, most of the powers-that-be depend on the psychological factors that also make people vulnerable to cult influence, so this is a tough one.

      What I think would be interesting, would be a K-12 curriculum oriented in this direction, but indurectly: for example, more math theory, more on scientific method as such, etc.: ideally things that can be taught as completely ideologically neutral but that equip kids with the tools, methods, and ways of thinking, that will enable them to see through cult recruitment efforts later in life.  

      There are also subtle ways this stuff can be slipped into otherwise conservative or middle-of-the-road content: for example in teaching kids to resist peer pressure to use alcohol and other drugs, we can teach them to resist peer pressure in general by thinking for themselves and reasoning out consequences and recognizing emotional pressures that conflict with reason and so on.  In teaching kids to resist the influence of gangs, we can teach them the same tools that will enable them to recognize cults for what they are.  

      So much of this resembles nothing so much as pure 1950s mainstream America vs. communism, it isn't even funny.  

      •  Based on other diaries, though (4+ / 0-)
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        G2geek, dogemperor, 73rd virgin, jimmyboyo

        This:

        a K-12 curriculum oriented in this direction, but indurectly: for example, more math theory, more on scientific method as such, etc.: ideally things that can be taught as completely ideologically neutral but that equip kids with the tools, methods, and ways of thinking, that will enable them to see through cult recruitment efforts later in life.  

        Is a really good idea, but won't work for kids being raised in a cult or cult-like environment, will it?  Since more and more of them are being home-schooled.

        •  have to do something about home schooling (6+ / 0-)

          It became a loophole big enough to drive a cult through.  

          What's needed is:  curriculum standards, testing conducted with standard tests in public institutions under proper control, etc.  

          Really we have also got to get over the idea that a child is its parents' property, and be more willing to intervene when parental influences are effectively rendering a kid unable to go on to higher education,  or skilled jobs.  

          And this cult stuff is as bad as gangs & drugs.  Religious freedom can't be used as cover for a program that ultimately leads to overt lawlessness.  

          Truly we are facing something that works similarly to communist subversion, cell structures included, is equally totalitarian if not more so, and is if anything more dangerous because it appears to be home-grown.  

          •  *nods* (5+ / 0-)

            One possible way to get around this is to require the use of either accredited curricula or a curricula package approved by a state-certified inclusive homeschool association (exclusive groups like HSLDA would be expressly prohibited).

            Another step (just as needed) would be having state minimal requirements for all curricula based on grade level with a set of requirements that are non-negotiable.

            That way, unschoolers could actually (for the most part) operate in the same way they do now--for the "teaching evolutionary science" section, an unschooler could file a paper that they would be covering this by reading Robert Bakker's "The Dinosaur Heresies" and other books on evolutionary science combined with field trips to museums or even fossil digs--whilst dominionist curricula would not be able to be certified (as it would not meet minimal standards).

            I'll get into much more of this tomorrow, promise :3

      •  We've got clue (2+ / 0-)
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        There's been a lot of research done over the years (much of it by Devin Burkhart and the SPLC) over how towns can face down white supremacist violence. I believe that the techniques used there can be equally effective here.

        The thing that's most important for us, as the netroots, is to know that these strategies exist -- and be ready to use them as soon as religious eliminationism rears its ugly head in our communities.

        The key thing to remember is that these people believe that they're saving the community. They have to be told -- swiftly, firmly, and in no uncertain terms, the very first time they cross the line -- that the community actively rejects what they're trying to sell. You need the City Council standing up to denounce them. The cops coming to arrest them. The newspapers writing fierce editorials. Signs in every window on Main Street saying "This town stands for religious freedom."

        Like so much that the netroots does, the most effective coordination happens locally. Stopping an eventual takeover (and I agree that they're gearing up for this) is a town-by-town fight. If we are looking for it -- and slap them down HARD the first time they try it, they won't try it again.

        It must be nipped in the bud, because every time they succeed, they gain power. The Nazis got a foothold because they crept in so smoothly and quietly that nobody could mount a defense until it was too late. That's an error that vigilant local netroots groups can make damned sure we don't make again.

        I'll try to put together a more in-depth post on this at Orcinus in the next week or two. This fall, I'm also doing a futures framework project as part of my master's that will look at various scenarios for how this might play out, which I'm hoping to share with the progressive community as the basis of some strategic planning around this issue. If you want to keep track of this as it evolves, stay tuned at Orcinus.

        And Dog -- this post is beyond fabulous. Thanks for the AOG deep background. I'll be throwing you a link.

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