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  •  Edwards has been honest on economic issues (1+ / 0-)
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    He's already said that we would run a deficit under him (something I'm not too keen on) and that he'd have to raise taxes in order to nationalize health care. I can't see anything more honest then those assessments without putting a dollar value out there.

    That said, while I favor Edwards I also think that the others have strengths and have particularly been impressed by some I have heard from Obama. I also think that Kuchinich, while not presidential material, has helped move the dialogue left. I admire Richardson's environmental policy(I particularly like how he incorporated public transit). I think Dodd is a good man who has said alot that I like. I also admire Hill, even as I see the strong opinion she invites as problematic.

    •  Its the anti-corporate ranting ..... (0+ / 0-)

      ... and silly name calling that bothers me. Firstly, it feels like a cheap substitute for addressing how he would specifically clean things up unlike other 'Corporate Democrats'. Secondly, its hard to think that he's as serious as he sounds about the issue when he worked for Fortress for a year and scored a ton in contributions from its employees.  

      I think there are real issues facing middle class America, as evidenced by the insane rantings of Lou Dobbs, the emergence of border vigilantes and the rise of sentiment against outsourcing/trade agreements, etc... Catering to any or some of these tendencies harms any chance at finding a reasonable solution to these problems. Here are some of the more ridiculous contradictions in our (Democrats') economic ideas.

      We're for fair trade but rail against outsourcing? By any and all measures, outsourced jobs are far less prone to the kind of abuses we're used to seeing because the jobs that are being outsourced require a well educated pool of talent. Its the closest thing to fair trade (of services) that we're ever gonna see.

      We're for helping developing nations but don't want them doing jobs we're capable of? If anything we should be celebrating the fact that a greater number of people in India, China and other countries are now making money for themselves instead of being dependent on U.S foreign aid (which gets looted by corrupt government officials anyway). Moreover, we create new customers for our products and create more jobs for ourselves in the long run. Plus, its not like advances in technology haven't been laying off people for centuries. A true leader will acknowledge this reality and propose an honest solution for the short term pain people have to bear. Haven't seen one yet.

      Fair trade will never happen. We can push for reforms in foreign countries, but its unlikely that our efforts alone can bring about change. Isn't Iraq single best argument that real, lasting communal reform can't take place if there isn't a yearning for it. We got rid of a dictator, but its not like there was a surge of democratic sentiment to create a real democracy. The greatest reforms have come through sweat, blood and vicious struggle. People can't just be given democracy. They have to want it. They have to be willing to die for it. People can't simply be given free European-level labor protections. They have to want. They have to be willing to die for it. For any enlightened reforms to last, there has to be popular sentiment and that usually only emerges after a period of abuse.

      p.s: I'm not saying we're better than the people in other countries. If anything, the nonchalance with which Americans have surrendered they civil liberties tells me that we've lost the lessons of our founders and are no longer worthy of many of out rights.

      "Party like a rock star, hammer like a porn star, rake like an all-star!"

      by crazymoloch on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 10:32:30 AM PDT

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