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  •  And the president can respond (1+ / 0-)
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    by transferring "emergency" funds to keep the war going. From where I sit it's a move that kills Dems politically without actually achieving anything in terms of real world results.

    I want to win. You want to beat him, and that's a problem for me, because I want to win. -The West Wing

    by AnnArborBlue on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 10:25:41 AM PDT

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    •  And the House can respond (7+ / 0-)

      by impeaching the bastard for violating the separation of powers clause in the Constitution.

      But they won't, like they won't follow up on any of the other impeachable offenses he's committed.

      Yeah, fighting back is hard. The Republicans are going to call you mean names. And because you've acquiesced on this before, some of those mean names will have some justice to them.

      Fight back anyway.

      •  I don't care about fighting (0+ / 0-)

        I really don't. I care about getting results. If something is likely to achieve results, either tangible or political, I'll support it. If it's not, I won't, no matter how fight-y it is.

        Hence my having no freaking clue what to do in the situation. Anything that doesn't begin with "elect a Democratic president in 2009" seems pretty fruitless to me at the moment.

        I want to win. You want to beat him, and that's a problem for me, because I want to win. -The West Wing

        by AnnArborBlue on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 10:32:49 AM PDT

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        •  You can have your Democratic president (3+ / 0-)
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          if I can have my Constitution and rule of law back.

          •  The two seem to go hand in hand n/t (0+ / 0-)

            I want to win. You want to beat him, and that's a problem for me, because I want to win. -The West Wing

            by AnnArborBlue on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 10:39:09 AM PDT

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            •  not necessarily (2+ / 0-)
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              That's why it's important to make sure the nominee is someone who will defend our rights...

              "How long? Not long." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

              by Cassiodorus on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 10:41:07 AM PDT

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            •  What I see (5+ / 0-)
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              is a bunch of people willing to sit on their hands and give the Chimp more rope so that they can grab 2008 by default.

              That's the safe thing to do - except for two things:

              1.) By not standing up, by acquiescing, by rolling over - they look like they're just waiting for their turn. They look like what's happening is OK with them. At the very least, they put the Constitution as something to defend when they have the time, when they think that maybe they might have the votes. If they won't stand up when he's at 27% approval and committing the same acts that the House Justice Committee passed against Nixon, then when are they?

              2.) That rope you're giving him more of? That rope is made of money that could be going to healthcare, or infrastructure, or disaster relief, or medical research. The rope is made of opportunity loss, veteran's benefits, education reform. Most importantly, that rope is made of American lives, dying because that simian bastard started a war he couldn't win for resources the Iraqis would be insane to sign over to him.  

              •  You make an excellent point (3+ / 0-)
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                Also, we already tried this approach in 2004. We just assumed that all Kerry had to do was make no mistakes and play it safe and Bush's failures would just be self-evident. We decreed that there would be no "Bush bashing" at the 2004 Convention, apparently on the advice of Karl Rove. Good going, guys. Democrats need to be more aggressive and more willing to take risks if we want to fix this country. It can't just be a choice between more Bush-style fiascoes and things not getting worse. We need to make things better.

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