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  •  Are you satisfied (2+ / 0-)
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    with the current results in Iraq?

    in New Orleans?

    on Health Care?

    Are you happy with Edwards position on the death penalty and gay marriage?

    With Obama's positions on the military?

    With Clinton's talk about "the right tactics" and "the next war" and her fundraising?

    I listened carefully to Dean's speech.  It was nothing close to 2003. It was about proces, about "inevitable procedural victory." It was about taking hope because "white kids in the mall wear baggy jeans."  Sorry, that doesn't cut it.

    I admire Howard Dean. I support DFA and the 50 State strategy and have put my money where my mouth is by relentlessly advocating for local blogs and local grassroots activism and engaging with DFA.

    But I was not satisfied with that speech.  Not on the war. Not on race. Not on what needs to be done now.

    I am hopeful, but not because of demographic trends. Far from it.

    k/o: politics and culture

    by kid oakland on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 07:27:41 PM PDT

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    •  Are you voting for Kucinich then? (0+ / 0-)

      35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in Matt 25: 35;

      by timber on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 07:33:17 PM PDT

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      •  I voted for Kucinich in the 2004 primary (3+ / 0-)
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        because I didn't believe any of the candidates or the party on Iraq. I wrote about that at the time. So your snark is misdirected.

        Was I right, or was I wrong?

        (Fwiw, I called over 1500 people in swing states over three weeks for John Kerry and encouraged many others to join me...so it's not like I didn't and won't put my shoulder to the wheel.)

        You don't see me advocating for Kucinich (a weak symbolic candidate) in this diary so much as for holding our leadership accountable. That includes Ron Dellums and Barbara Lee. (Not exactly a popular stand here in my home town.) Why do I take that stand?  Because I think something needs to change that isn't changing.

        If we can't make positive change in Oakland and Berkeley given our will and our resources, how can we make change anywhere?

        Jerry Brown was NOT acceptable. That's just the truth.

        k/o: politics and culture

        by kid oakland on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 07:39:33 PM PDT

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    •  Not happy, not satisfied, still hungry (1+ / 0-)
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      Most of what is wrong is directly traced to the current Admin and Republican Congress. I don't expect Dem candidates to agree with me on every issue. I still think Her Royal Clintoness could lose the general. But i'm more upset about the static inertia and too many people giving up and blaming the Dems and backing off. We need to encourage each other and hold up hope while working our butts off. If we sit down now we'll be lying down soon enough.

      •  You are mischaracterizing the piece (4+ / 0-)
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        I'm not calling for folks to sit down, I'm asking our leaders to stand up.

        It's EASY given Bush/Cheney to sound the right notes.  The question is whether we get the right results. Edwards and Obama and Clinton have not insisted on those results NOW.  (And have they talked about Rahm and Steny? Nope.)

        Do you disagree that it seems to now be the official position of the Democratic Party that we need ANOTHER election to make a change of course in Iraq?

        (Even the Baker/Hamilton report called for an April 2008 withdrawal of the vast majority of our forces.  Is that going to happen this month?  $200 Billion says...no.)

        k/o: politics and culture

        by kid oakland on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 07:46:38 PM PDT

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        •  That's a fair point (1+ / 0-)
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          and we can agree the leadership should stand and fight and do more (Now not Later). But the general tone of the piece does not get me inspired to work more

          That is all we have to show for our efforts in 2006. Zippo. Nada. Not much. (ie. They sold out our position on the war to pass minimum wage in the Senate...that's about it.)

          That's discouraging and so is the general tone..too easy to say, they're all this way or that. i still like your writing and your voice. I understand the frustration but I still find hope out there. Goodnight from the east coast. Peace.

          •  I find hope out there too (3+ / 0-)
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            but it is in my fellow activists and volunteers and in my neighbors.

            I am not impressed with many/any of our current politicians. They are many of them who are sincere people, but they are caught up in a deeply corrupt system and media climate that collectively they've done little to change.

            We have the majority in the House. What does that mean?  Really, truly?

            There is a reason our leaders have fallen in the polls.  We should not be afraid to mention it.

            It's called leadership. It's called delivering what you promised.

            My hope is powerful and I am loathe to disempower you or anyone else...but I also am realistic about the very real perils of overpomising and underdelivering.  

            That's what we're experiencing right now, imo, in regrads to the Democratic leadership.

            k/o: politics and culture

            by kid oakland on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 08:12:14 PM PDT

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