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  •  Guns not necessary (17+ / 0-)

    Beat them at their own game. Create our own economy that corporations can't participate in, a people's market that operates in credits relating to social and environmental responsibility. If I give my neighbor some food, they can pay me in people's credits, and vice versa. It could be internet-powered. I could share my net connection with my neighbors for people's credits, so they have access to the information needed to navigate around the System.

    •  I'm hardly saying we have to use... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...guns.  I'm simply saying that we have them, and can use them to affect change, and as long as that is true, we are not bereft of hope.

      The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

      by Jay Elias on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 06:23:39 PM PDT

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    •  We have such a system already... (29+ / 0-)

      It's called America. It already has rules, money, and a communication system.

      We, The People, need to reclaim it. We need to demand that policies be adopted that satisfy OUR concerns without giving in to the argument that it would be bad for business.

      We, The People, need to develop a Pavlovian response to the phrase "it would be bad for business": BULLSHIT!

      If We, The People, want something from our government, business will simply have to adapt or die. I suspect that business will simply adapt.

      We, The People, are the most productive workers in the world. If business can't survive amidst Our reasonable demands, they don't deserve to exist.

      I'm all for capitalism, but business that interferes with Our reasonable demands does not deserve to exist.

      I fear that the Bush Era of American History shall forever be as stained as the Nazi Era of German History.

      by Jimdotz on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 07:07:13 PM PDT

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      •  And Bill Gates lobbies for an unlimited (8+ / 0-)

        guest worker program.  Poor Bill, what's a multibillionaire to do?

      •  A standing ovation to you! (5+ / 0-)

        You nailed it.

      •  You got Calvin Coolidge rolling in his grave. (3+ / 0-)

        "The business of America is business."
        Note that this was in the 1924-28 period just before the Great Depression.

        You got it on the nose.

        This is our business:
        We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

        "Peace is more distant than might be thought." - Subcommandante Marcos.

        by walkshills on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:22:19 PM PDT

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      •  'Adapt or die' is what *capitalists* do. (6+ / 0-)

        When it's rainy, you move the umbrella display to the front of the store.  You observe the current environment of the marketplace, try to anticipate the effect on demand and then adapt your business accordingly.  To a "true" free-market capitalist, government regulations and the reasonable demands of the public are merely another part of the environment, the market.  The public becomes wary of bovine growth hormone, you stop giving it to your dairy herd and start advertising that fact on your milk cartons.

        OTOH, Corporatists - say, manufacturers of sunscreen - would attempt to lobby Congress to make rain illegal, and/or pass severe regulations on umbrella makers.  Or, if you manufacture bovine growth hormone, you sue that dairies who advertise that they don't use it in an attempt to leverage the courts to control the marketplace to your advantage.  That's anything but free-market capitalism. That's using wealth and power to control the marketplace instead of adapting to it.

        "What's good for GM is good for the country" epitomizes the scam that Corporatists have been running for ages.  Business is business (as if there's no difference between ADM and your local farmer) and what's bad for Verizon must be bad for the small businessperson, too.  Thus, the anti-Net Neutrality movement and the nearly universal buy-in by small business associations around the country who would be totally screwed if Verizon and other corporations were legally able to regulate the Net.  

        Corporations claim to represent free-market capitalism just as the ruthless dictators of the Soviet Union claimed to represent Communism or as Dobson et al claim to represent Christianity or al-Qaeda claims to represent Islam or as Republicans claim to represent Democracy.  All of these are really just Authoritarians masquerading as idealists.

        "You are coming to a sad realization. CANCEL or ALLOW?"

        by sxwarren on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 04:26:10 AM PDT

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    •  I really like this idea (8+ / 0-)

      you know, people have tried to start credit unions and insurance clubs and so on ... they get stopped by corporate interests time and again. Yes, America is the country of entrepreneurs. As long as the entrepreneurs are white, male, wear three piece suits, and make campaign contributions. And don't tell me about 1 or 2 exceptions -- they're always there, to prove the rule.

      "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

      by JuliaAnn on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 07:13:51 PM PDT

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