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  •  It might not be possible... (0+ / 0-)

    ...to withdraw from Iraq.  Baghdad Bob may have been right when he said we had stepped into a trap from which we will never emerge... or whatever.

    Logistically, it would be a nightmare, even if we negotiated some kind of truce with the people currently shooting at us.  

    Vietnam was simple -- it's a sliver of a nation with lots of coastline.  Load everything on ships and seeya.  Iraq is mainly landlocked, and most of our troops and equipment are hundreds of miles inland.  Fighting our way out of there could be ugly.  

    Even Kucinich couldn't just snap his fingers and withdraw from Iraq.

    Be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes! - Bill and Ted

    by CharlieHipHop on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 09:26:38 AM PDT

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    •  Oh, I don't know. (0+ / 0-)

      If we were really going to leave, we could probably even exit through Turkey or Saudi Arabia. Besides, if we could get all those troops in there, it's hard to see how getting them out would be harder.

      Our troops are perfectly capable of setting up a perimeter and protecting themselves. It's leaving the protected area and trying to go anywhere and accomplish anything that seems to be the problem.

      But no, you can't just put everything on some planes and be out tomorrow. It would take weeks.

      And Vietnam may have lots of coastline, but it doesn't have that many deepwater ports, so I don't really see how that comparison is relevant.

      "Everybody has a share." -- Milo Minderbinder, Catch-22

      by expatjourno on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:47:55 PM PDT

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      •  Saudi Arabia or Turkey... (0+ / 0-)

        ...how many miles are those from Baghdad?

        Leaving the country would mean pulling up stakes and going outside the perimeter in a big way.  You see the problem here, based on your own assessment of ineffectiveness outside the perimeter?

        You don't need deepwater ports to bring lots of helicopters full of people to ships -- just a long coastline and lots of helicopters.  Humping your shit hundreds of miles over land through desert terrain is not as desirable a method of egress.

        Be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes! - Bill and Ted

        by CharlieHipHop on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 03:43:20 PM PDT

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        •  I see your point. Still, they fought their way... (0+ / 0-)

          ...in there, so what is so much harder about fighting their way out?

          Also, I would think that there's a big difference in terms of vulnerability between an armored column and small patrols of one or two humvees or a handful of troops going house to house.

          "Everybody has a share." -- Milo Minderbinder, Catch-22

          by expatjourno on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 04:01:24 PM PDT

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