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  •  Torture for the sake of torture (none)
    Sorry to be pedantic, but this actually doesn't prove that torture works or doesn't work, because anywhere between 60% and 95% of the people detained were innocent of anything. Raping the innocent kids of parents who don't know anything (and therefore are innocent themselves) is torture, but it can't be effective or ineffective, because the people are completely innocent. In this case, it's really more like torture for the sake of torture. Nazi comparisons abound.
    •  But that's what happens (none)
      Aaron, duh.  When governments set out to torture to extract information, the people they end up torturing always turn out to be 50%-95% innocent.  That's what happens, it's why torture is an ineffective intelligence-gathering technique, besides being morally wrong.  
      •  But torture is wrong (none)
        whether the victims of the torture are innocent OR guilty.

        This is the problem in our country; we seem to ready to accept that torture, death penalty, abuse, denial of human rights is okay when the people we do that to are BAD people.  The argument, then, is reduced to demonstrating that these folks are innocent, a battle one can never win decidedly in the great US with its overt and latent prejudices.  There are always some americans somewhere (often in the US government) who will continue to argue that these folks are nonetheless bad, so the actions are okay.  You know, the old, "these folks are in prisons, after all, they aren't sunday school teachers".  

        (Of course they conveniently ignore that any number of the people doing the torturing may in fact be sunday school teachers.)

        "By focusing fear and hatred on the Tutsi, the organizers hoped to forge solidarity among Hutu." -- Human Rights Watch

        by a gilas girl on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 01:44:29 PM PDT

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