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  •  While I can't say I entirely agree with you (none)
    The release of these videos will obviously make the chance sof us ever being successful in Iraq and completely ruin what is left of the US' reputation in the middle east (whether the President is Bush or Kerry).  Of course we should punish those repsonsible and get the fact sout there, but broadcasting teh soundtrack as some have suggested might not be a good idea.

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    by Lavoisier1794 on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 10:32:39 PM PDT

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    •  It sounds like (4.00)
      you think the rest of the world doesn't already know this (or soon will). If our entire gov't, our military, our rapidly-increasing 'enemies', our victims, and our fast-fading allies all know about this, what possible purpose is served by trying to keep it quiet* here???

      *AKA the 'mushroom treatment' -- kept in the dark with frequent applications of bullshit.

    •  You miss the point (4.00)
      They--the Iraqis--already know this.  All they lack are the last shreds of evidence.  But they know it.  There are people who were violated, and others who are witnesses, and people who were sending messages out begging their loved ones to come and kill them.

      Dear god, read that.  Imagine getting a message from someone you loved dearly telling you that they begged you to come and kill them.  Out of love and mercy.

      And we're worried that hearing the soundtrack might do some harm?  Excuse me, what do you think the attacks on any soldier or puppet government official are about?  They're rage.  

      And until we lance and drain that abcess, admit that it's ours, and do the job of scrubbing out the pus... there are many people who will continue to hold every last god-damned one of us accountable for what happened.

      For them, and for us, we desperately need to force America to face up to this, and to deal with it.

      Or it's no different (and it probably isn't) than the Germans who dusted the ash from the concentration camp ovens off their homes daily, and pretended not to have any idea.....

      You may be able to hide your head up your ass and pretend that it's a nice, warm pleasant place.  I can't.

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      by ogre on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 11:37:21 PM PDT

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      •  I doubt every Iraqi has heard about it.... (none)
        Although A large portion probably has.  But in other Arab countries they probably haven't.  I don't want to cover up facts, I just dont think it might be very bright to actually release the videographic evidence.  As many of you have said, a picture is worth a thousand words and can indeed do a lot of damage.

        If the US had admitted to the Abu Ghraib abuse publically and vigorously went after all those responsible (all the way up to Sanchez if warrented) as soon as it was discovered, the public and Iraqis might have been satisfied and the picturees which no doubt drove many to the insurgency might not have come out or had less impact when they did.

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        by Lavoisier1794 on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 11:14:03 AM PDT

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        •  Given that Al-Jazeera (none)
          is extremely popular throughout the Arab world, you can be sure that most of the Arabs have heard about these things.  We're not talking about New Guinea head-hunting tribes that have never seen white folks here.  They're not backward, ignorant and uneducated.

          TV and radio and the newspapers are well attended--and diverse.

          Granted, yes--you can find some Iraqis who haven't heard about this.  But... betcha that a solid majority have.

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          by ogre on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 06:35:56 PM PDT

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