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  •  Don't be a fool (2.00)
    The Executive flew out to Iraq to do it themselves?

    You know who did this, and so do I.  Wave your "I Support The Troops" flag all you like.  I'll be over here, in the 21st century, not living in 1945.

    •  Command Responsibility (4.00)
      You are right in that President Bush did not personally fly into Baghdad, feed plastic turkey to the troops at Baghdad International Airport and then decide "What the hell, I'll go rape an Iraqi boy."  The actual execution of the rapes are the responsibility of the rapists, and for them, I hope that they are punished to the fullest extent of the applicable law (UCMJ, US criminal law, or Iraqi criminal law).

      However, if Hersh's statements are to be believed, and all the evidence that has come out of Abu Ghraib and other US run prisons in Iraq suggests that he knows what he is talking about, there is a systemic failure here.  That is the responsibility of the commanders to fix.  If there was a single rape in which the rapists were quickly and severely punished, and guidelines and proactive protective measures were then installed as soon as the command team realized that there was a problem, then it would not be the fault of the Executive branch/President Bush.

      However, we have repeated examples of torture, torture-lite, rape, and hostage taking over a several month period.  We have repeated reports of individuals with incredible amounts of moral courage coming forward to their superiors saying that something that they have seen is morally and criminally wrong.  We have the knowledge that the chain of command extending up to and including President Bush knew or should have known that potential war crimes were being committed by American forces or by Iraqi forces under American command at Abu Ghraib.  Yet they decided to not take corrective measures until the light of day forced them to do so.  

      This is a systemic failure of leadership and command responsbility.  The officers and civilian leadership knew that they were doing something wrong frequently, repeatedly and for months at a time and yet did not change their actions.  The buck kept on getting passed back and forth and human rights abuses and war crimes continued.  That is where the greatest crime lies, the unwillingness of the executive branch to step in and order American soldiers to follow basic guidelines of civilized behavior and not to commit war crimes.    

      Come on over to Fester's Place for blogging on politics, urban budgetary crisi and the New England Patriots

      by fester on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 07:11:01 AM PDT

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      •  and don't forget (none)
        some very interesting memos from the DOJ on what is and is not torture, how the POTUS is above all laws, etc.

        It started at the top with the tone if not with direct orders.  It started at the top with Getmo and the express desire to create a land that law forgot.  It started at the top with the pullout of the World Court.  It started at the top with a willful disregard for the rights of the US citizens not to mention the rights of non-citizens who happen to live in a country we decided to invade on false pretenses.

        I blame President Bush just as surely as the Republcants (R) would blame Clinton.  

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