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  •  Don't send another dime. This takes (2+ / 0-)
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    assyrian64, jethropalerobber

    41 votes in the Senate, and zero in the House.  They have clearly shown they will not craft a change in policy until forced.

    •  Only a small percentage of the American people (4+ / 0-)

      support that approach.  And I don't either.  If you look back at the Vietnam days, the Congress had the votes to cut off funding by deadline.  We don't.  Cutting off funding by not sending a bill (which is immediate, without any warning to military planners or the Iraqi government or individual Iraqis who have been working with Americans at their peril), when there is little support for that approach by the people and the members of Congress is a bad idea.

      •  Bush is asking for an additional $50 (5+ / 0-)

        Billion in addition to the budgeted $147 Billion.

        There is absolutely, positively no reason to give him that extra $50 Billion.

        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

        by Geekesque on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 08:39:10 AM PDT

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        •  I think Cong. Joe Sestak of PA can tell (6+ / 0-)

          us if that's true.  Since he was a military planner he will have the insight as to whether that funding is needed now.  He voted for the funding last time, because he said a shortfall was going to happen very soon.  I know I'm not being popular around here for this opinion, but I think we need to think about this.  I want to end this war; I want to withdraw; but I am wondering if it is possible and reasonable to do so in a sudden way.

          •  I agree with you beachmom (5+ / 0-)


            Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

            by bumblebums on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 08:47:45 AM PDT

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          •  From the WaPo: (4+ / 0-)

            President Bush plans to ask Congress next month for up to $50 billion in additional funding for the war in Iraq, a White House official said yesterday, a move that appears to reflect increasing administration confidence that it can fend off congressional calls for a rapid drawdown of U.S. forces.

            The request -- which would come on top of about $460 billion in the fiscal 2008 defense budget and $147 billion in a pending supplemental bill to fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq -- is expected to be announced after congressional hearings scheduled for mid-September featuring the two top U.S. officials in Iraq. Army Gen. David H. Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker will assess the state of the war and the effect of the new strategy the U.S. military has pursued this year.


            Democrats should absolutely filibuster that $50 Billion in surge money.

            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

            by Geekesque on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 08:52:18 AM PDT

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      •  Where are you getting your numbers (2+ / 0-)
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        on "the American people."  I am aware that congress has no guts, but as recently as January 53% (about the middle of the story) of Americans were willing to cut off funding to prevent the "surge".

        Clearly, framing the issue correctly is critical.  But cutting off funding is the. only. way. to. end. the. war...until January 2009.

        •  It's easy to fall into that camp (3+ / 0-)
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          wystler, beachmom, a night owl

          without examining the logistics of this funding, of which frankly, I have no clue. When someone like Sestak expresses extreme concern for executing a withdrawal intelligently, safely and as quickly as possible without imperiling our people, I have no choice but to listen.

          Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

          by bumblebums on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 08:57:02 AM PDT

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          •  With funds cut off, the Republicans could (2+ / 0-)
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            a) come to the table and work out how and when the troops get home.


            b) what?  Just leave them there, to make a point?  And stop sending food?

            I think it's a GOP meme we've bought into.  When funding is cut off, then the negotiations for logistics of the end begin.

            •  that's one bold-assed game of chicken (4+ / 0-)

              you really ready to trust the MSM coverage on that? i ask because they hold sway with public opinion ...

              it's about biconceptualism ... Obama08

              by wystler on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 09:47:03 AM PDT

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            •  Government shut down 1995 (3+ / 0-)
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              ChiGirl88, goffnews, a night owl

              Sorry, I am not willing to play chicken with a crazy president worried about his "legacy".  When the Republicans used hardball tactics over a budget fight in '95 (which had a lot less at stake than a war), President Clinton, who had suffered a horrible defeat for Dems in the '94 midterm elections, came out the victor.

              I think that's great that you are thinking creatively on this, but I am sure the Dems entertained this approach, and deemed it not doable.

            •  yep. (b) is down and dirty powerball (2+ / 0-)
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              goffnews, Involuntary Exile

              that threatens to discredits senate convention. they're scared shitless bush admin would do exactly that -- declare war on US troops -- as if DoD had zero money and NO CREDIT LIMIT to draw down troop level if only to dec 2006.  

              that means, simply, blow munitions at evacuated bases, board personnel on planes and fly 'em to frickin germany, as if that were all the gas money DoD has on hand, as if contractors could pay their own way, as if the admin didn't need to buy time anyway to plot the next nefarious move of the shell game.

              the unitary asshole admin has options buried in the FY2007-FY2008 budget wish lists, independent of supplemental appropriations, if it gives a damn about US military lives.

              Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

              by MarketTrustee on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 09:55:25 AM PDT

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        •  The surge, not the war. (2+ / 0-)
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          This article is from May:

          Poll: 57 percent support a war funding bill with a withdrawal timetable
          • A majority, 60 percent, oppose cutting off funds to end Iraq war

          The American people support the Democrats' plan for a timetable for withdrawal.  They might consider supporting the Reid/Feingold amendment which cut off funding after the deadline is reached (that scenario was not polled).  But 60% oppose cutting off funding.

          Kennedy, back in January, brought up a bill that would not allow funding for the surge.  Unfortunately, it died.  Thing is, now that the surge has been underway, how do you separate surge from normal funding?  You can't.

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            I'm not sure "60% opposed" quite justifies your statement "only a small percentage of the American people support that approach", but I appreciate the numbers.  And I do appreciate your point of view.

            •  Likewise. I just think we need to talk about (1+ / 0-)
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              this frankly.  It makes us better debating the Republicans and framing our issues.  I think this war is awful, and needs to end.  I guess I just am against blaming the Democrats for not ending it when it's a 50/50 split in the Senate (since Lieberman sides with Bush on Iraq).  But the impatience and pressure from others like you here is good, too.  We're all on the same team, just trying to figure this out.

      •  That's because Nixon was willing to sign (1+ / 0-)
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        such a bill (although he wasn't exactly in favor of it).

        He didn't veto

        Join the College Kossacks on Facebook, or the Republicans win.

        by DemocraticLuntz on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 09:17:07 AM PDT

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