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  •  After a week of reading your concern (23+ / 0-)

    and Kos' hits on Obama not being more forceful and getting out in front of the curve to show leadership, I have a different take. Dodd, Edwards and Clinton came out with policy statements and campaign rhetoric within hours, but despite the outcry from this blog particularly, I actually feel good about Obama remaining relatively quiet. I'll explain. All 3 candidates came out as part of their presidential campaign. It was political criteria that pushed the rhetoric out. I actually think by having enough patience to hear out Patraeus first, then provide a comprehensive statement based on his testimony rather than have a preemptive statement that would be totally based on political calculations illustrates a more cerebral and logical approach. You wanted something right now, instant gratification because the other leading candidates did so. You imply that shows more forceful leadership. Forceful and impatient leadership is what got us into this mess in the first place. Impatience and impulsive reactions is a sign of youth and inexperience. Obama is showing maturity and rational judgement. You don't have to be first to speak all the time. Just have the most sound argument after all the facts are in. The troops are not going anywhere anytime soon, the Bush policy is not changing anytime soon. This way, you ascertained all the information, crunched all the numbers, assessed all the dangers and political calculations, then you deliver a decisive statement.

    •  You got a point here. (7+ / 0-)

      Obama is more hawkish than many give him credit for.  He does know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em.  That has always been my fascination about this man.

    •  Best comment I've read in a while, thank you (5+ / 0-)
    •  On point analysis. (4+ / 0-)

      If you have the facts go with that.  Everything else is for the political theater crowd.

      Every time history repeats itself the price goes up - Anon. Mind Sorbet

      by Pithy Cherub on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 10:27:46 AM PDT

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    •  tazz, this is so weird (5+ / 0-)

      as I was reading your comment...the MSM is picking up on the repugs claim that we, democrats, have been dismissing Patraeus prior to his testimony.

      Having just finished "Dreams from My Father", Obama has had a lifetime experience of how politics work on a human level and regardless our technological superiority and GNP, the same forces of corruption and just plain "politicking" are the same everywhere.

      Just saying something to win elections has no bearing on effecting actual change.

      •  I am very dismayed at the preemptive (2+ / 0-)
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        pronouncements by the democratic candidates before the Petaueus testimony. All these pronouncements were to score political points only and not to facilitate a collaborative policy from a united democratic party. The three candidates that used their candidacies are proving they don't care about collaboration, they don't care about a solution, they only care about making statements geared to improving their chances of being nominated. This is what I hate about perpetual presidential campaigns. The democratic response to the administration's policy of staying the course without defined goals and missions should be, and must be a singular statement of policy delivered in the well of the Senate by the democratic party, not by individuals going the own way trying to be president. This is way too important. This is not about presidential leadership, this is about war and Congress' responsibility to speak for the American people. All due respect to Edwards and Richardson who are on the outside looking in, leadership in this case is the Congress, not the candidates for president.

    •  He apparently is doing as I wished. (0+ / 0-)

      (No causal relationship implied).

      I have been highlighting the need for him to do something, as opposed to demeaning him for not having done so yet.

      Now, we'll just have to see the content of his speech.

      "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

      by Geekesque on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 11:13:34 AM PDT

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