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  •  Right (1+ / 0-)
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    You're absolutely right; that was what helped Lieberman win. Lamont made some basic mistakes, not fatal, but because he was inexperienced and Lieberman wasn't it was enough to give us the result we did.

    I take issue with people claiming that if only Harry Reid or Chuck Schumer had pushed the "Elect Lamont" buttons under their desks, things would have been different. I do not think it is fair to them to blame them for Lieberman's strong win.

    •  Yes ... (1+ / 0-)
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      brittain33

      I see what you are saying.  I can agree that Lamont was not the best political match for Lieberman in terms of experience.  Not sure who could have done better, except maybe if Weicker had come out of retirement.

      I think Sen. Clinton would make a very good president.

      by bink on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 11:13:33 AM PDT

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    •  Well ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... Schumer, Dodd and Reid face some blame for their inability to persuade Lieberman to abandon the race after losing the primary.  

      Lieberman won the general because he was in it, and the only way to prevent him from winning it was to keep him out of it in the first place.

      •  Lieberman (0+ / 0-)

        Do you think they would have had any ability to stop him from running as an independent--particularly with his wife encouraging him to fight on, and with the result so close? I can see the argument you're making, but I'm not convinced it was within their reach. Look at how hard it is for the Republicans to dislodge Craig under clearer circumstances.

        •  I think they had a chance. (3+ / 0-)
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          They didn't even try, though -- it seemed like it was all "let's let Joe go, and hope he makes the right decision" rather than a 72h media press, immediately after the primary, to delegitimize a third-party run as a viable option.

          Obvs, Lamont shares blame as well.  His victory speech treated this like it was already over.

          •  Ok (0+ / 0-)

            As you can see, what sets me off is when people blame Democratic senators (Obama, Reid, Schumer, whoever) for somehow gifting us with Lieberman's reelection when the situation was largely out of their control for all but a few moments. They could have recruited a top-flight challenger early in 2005, which would have been a remarkable break from past practice of either party and very unlikely, or they could have done as you said and gambled on an effort to drive Lieberman out of the race.

            Regardless, it galls me that people still obsess about this moving forward and let it color their views on current senators when we should focus on today and the future.

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              brittain33, mon

              ... what irks me is the idea that more campaigning from well-known Dem incumbents on Lamont's behalf could have swung a 10-point race, and that such campaigning was the best use of their time.

            •  Right, there are no "do-overs" - that is (1+ / 0-)
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              until 2012 and prey to whomever that this Mess-O-potamia is old history by then.

              Dubya: often wrong, but never in doubt.

              by auapplemac on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 12:39:45 PM PDT

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            •  The real villain was Gov. M. Jodi Rell (2+ / 0-)
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              brittain33, R Rhino from CT4

              who was unable to gift her fav. Rob Simmons (formerly Rep CT-02, defeated 2006 by Rep. Joe Courtney) with the nomination when Alan Schlesinger refused to give up the nomination after Lamont's win in the primary.  She stumped for Joementum all over everywhere.  Even with Schlesinger sounding the most put together & the most clear of all 3 candidates in all the debates, he couldn't jump the hurdler of M. Jodi telling Republicans not to vote for Schlesinger.

              And of course, Schlesinger was was running as a Libertarian type Republican who was against the war.  Plus he had gambling issues-which were seeded in the press by the same M. Jodi.

              If the Republicans had voted for a Republican or stayed home, the election would have been different and Lamont would have been elected.

              There's no need to blame either Lamont or the Senate Dems--

    •  Don't forget the weak R candidate. (1+ / 0-)
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      It gave the R's a reason to vote for pro-war Joe and boost his numbers.

      Dubya: often wrong, but never in doubt.

      by auapplemac on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 12:36:06 PM PDT

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