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  •  Krugman is kind of a day late... (3+ / 0-)
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    buckhorn okie, fugue, FishOutofWater

    ...and a dollar short.  The Hunt Oil deal follows well on the heels of the DNO success in Kurdistan.  The cut a separate deal with the Kurds long before Hunt was involved, and set the precedent.

    •  Good for the Kurds ... (2+ / 0-)
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      buckhorn okie, bablhous

      While Bush fantasizes, they've managed to make his folly work out rather well for them.

      It's an awkward policy complication for the US, but that's our problem, not the Kurds'.

      The best fortress is to be found in the love of the people - Niccolo Machiavelli

      by al Fubar on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 07:11:10 AM PDT

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      •  gonna bite our asses hard later (2+ / 0-)
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        bablhous, lonelyutahdem15

        The kurds is pretty nasty bunch of people. (yes terrorism everywhere)

        Every goverment in that area ban them for a reason. (turkey, Iraq, Iran)

        We used them to undermine Saddam, but unfortunately they now also undermine every international diplomacy and effort to stabilize Iraq.

        10 years from now, we gonna ask. Who created the kurds international organisations?  (equipments, training, money, network)

        Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

        by fugue on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 08:08:09 AM PDT

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        •  they ban them (3+ / 0-)

          cuz they are some 30 million odd people who have no nation state.  Three million Armenians have a nation.  Four million Georgians merit a state.  8 million Azeris get a homeland, to say nothing of Israel.  In the days when every nation thought it should have its own state, Churchill drew them off them map.  Turkey, Iraq and Iran have tried to denude them of the language and culture in order to assimilate them.  They undermine the international system for the simple reason that it excludes them entirely, leaving them prey to the tender mercies of Ankara, Baghdad and Tehran.

          I'm not saying every ethnicity deserves a state or that Kurdish history is full of acts of benevolent neighborliness at all (whose history is?).  Just saying the Kurdish situation doesn't necessarily stem from the fact that they're a nasty bunch.

          irony is the glory of slaves - Czeslaw Milosz

          by lumpenprole on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 10:47:44 AM PDT

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          •  Don't be too quick to blame Winnie (2+ / 0-)
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            A geographical Kurdistan was provided for in the 1920  Treaty of Sèvres, which was the original peace treaty signed between the Allies & the Ottomans ending WW1.

            The situation changed drastically after the Greeks got greedy & decided to bite off most of the western half of Anatolia for their "grand design" (megalo idea). They overextended their supply lines in the process, but this wasn't considered important since the Ottoman Empire was busy imploding & could offer no resistance. So when Mustafa Kemal Pasha (later Atatürk) rallied a national resistance that halted the Greek advance just short of Ankara & then counterattacked, the Turkish forces chased the Greeks all the way back to (& eventually into) the Aegean.

            After this success the nascent Turkish Republic under Kemal abrogated the Treaty of Sevres & demanded a new treaty with significant changes. The ensuing Treaty of Lausanne signed in 1923 eliminated Kurdistan, as well as an independent Armenia (the Armenian SSR was part of the USSR & as such had to wait until 1991 for its freedom).

            May I bow to Necessity not/ To her hirelings (W. S. Merwin)

            by Uncle Cosmo on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 12:29:05 PM PDT

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      •  100% Destroyed Before a Drop Gets Out (3+ / 0-)
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        Aquarius40, hmbnancy, bablhous

        The Iraqi's are not so stupid that they would allow a single drop of THEIR oil to get past THEIR border if the US has any stake in the means of production or distribution.  Any infrastructure involved in that process will be bombed, torched, blown up, and utterly destroyed before a drop passes their border.

        The first thing they did when the US invaded was to start blowing up the pipelines because it was so transparent that all we wanted was control of the oil.  Go Iraq!  Stand your ground and NEVER give an inch!

    •  No not a day late. This is also about protection. (4+ / 0-)

      I diaried the Norway oil deal months ago. A Turkish company also cut a deal. If you don't think the Turkish and American deals are about military protection of Kurdistan you are missing a large part of the picture.

      Why is Kurdistan willing to go to PSAs? They don't seem to be that good of a deal financially. The PSAs are protection sharing agreements.

      "It's the planet, stupid."

      by FishOutofWater on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 07:57:07 AM PDT

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      •  It's about power and control. (0+ / 0-)

        They want to be the brokers the oil companies come to, the ones who decided how they go forward.  Even if they lose the money that playing hardball would result in, their control of oil and oil contracts helps them against other ethnic groups.

        ...and PSAs can vary from draconian to pretty generous.

      •  Exactly (2+ / 0-)
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        barbwires, 417els

        The Kurds don't really have a lot of leverage, but Talabani in particular has been a real expert at using what little they have to maximum advantage.

        The Kurds develop the oil using US and Turkish and European companies, and give Turkey a sweet deal.  That's the carrot. At the same time, they have a stick too - the risk of them promoting spreading Kurdish nationalism.  They will use both to cut a deal for their independence.  I suspect the Iraqi Kurds will turn on the PKK in a heartbeat if they can negotiate an acceptable end-state with Turkey.

        But for now, the Iraqi Kurds welcome Turkish investment and companies on the theory that the government (especially the current Islamist government) will prefer trade and economic relations to war.

        In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ...Thomas Jefferson

        by ivorybill on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 09:17:00 AM PDT

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