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  •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

    Gonzalez was an incompetant idiot who created most if not all of the problems he got himself into. Getting rid of him, just allowed the GOP to breathe a sigh of relief that the Gonzalez chapter was behind them.  In fact, getting rid of Gonzo, made Bush and the GOP stronger in the same way that someone who cuts out a cancerous growth and is in remission is stronger.

    But think of all the time and energy the democrats spent on "getting rid of him" when they could have used that time for something that could do some real damage, permanent damage, like proving that "Bush Lied Us Into war".

    And Bush could care less if he gets "weaker" and "weaker" on everything -- except Iraq.  And it is all about running out the clock for him now.

    The attorney firings were a minor issue, a time waster that the democrats bought into when they should have been doing the  investigation that the American people really wanted (and still want) and that's to prove that "Bush Lied Us Into War" -- do that with the gravitas and prestige of a congressional investigation behind it -- and that would mean automatic impeachment.

    "There's a thin line between fishing and standing on the shore looking like an idiot." -Stephen Wright

    by Bowa on Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 05:43:26 PM PDT

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    •  And I disagree a bit with you (0+ / 0-)

      though in principle, you make sense. However, the attorney firings were the Achilles' heel of the Bush Administration. It was the tip of an iceberg that led to the heart of the Bush/Cheney machine. The attorney firings were covered up, first of all, because they were politically motivated, which is against the law. They were also covered up because their exposure would lead to the underbelly of the underhanded and illegal deeds throughout this administration, including vote tampering, voter disenfranchisement and harrassment, which leads all the way back to 2000. Once the canaries start to sing, it'd be quite a chorus. Now, with confirmation of Bush's nominee apparently being tied to forthcoming documentation about the firings, the missing emails, the illegal use of GOP National Committee computers to conduct government business, the attempt to coerce the anesthetized and barely conscious John Ashcroft to bypass the acting Attorney General to permit warrantless wiretaps -- it all leads to one thing -- the criminality of the Bush Administration, through and through.

      As you say, there may be other avenues to get there, but this was a realistic, though painstakingly slow one by the Congress.

      "Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --George W. Bush

      by RevJoe on Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 06:01:46 PM PDT

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      •  And I agree with you... (1+ / 0-)
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        Damage was done to the cheney/bush misAdministration. They are less able now to defend themselves over the bigger questions. Small battles can lead to big victories.

        it tastes like burning...

        by eastvan on Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 06:15:18 PM PDT

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        •  Small battles can lead to big victories (0+ / 0-)

          I agree

          Unfortunately, sometimes small battles are fought and won, while the big battles are fought somewhere else entirely and the Victory goes the other way.

          Maybe I'm too linear and not enogh of a gambling man.  But I like small battles where the outcome is all but predetermined, and the big Victories to come as a direct result of those efforts.

          All this tangential scatter shot "battling" hoping that something, anything will stick is way too imprecise, frustrating and uncertain to resemble a real strategy for winning.

          "There's a thin line between fishing and standing on the shore looking like an idiot." -Stephen Wright

          by Bowa on Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 06:35:20 PM PDT

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          •  The Hookegate Gangs Still Being Indicted & Jailed (0+ / 0-)

            The Hookergate case that Carol Lam got sacked for investigating has got lots of legs.

            That is the bribery and money laundering case that includes the Pentagon, Congress, White House, and the CIA.

            Did I mention it has HOOKERS?

          •  It becomes increasingly apparent (0+ / 0-)

            that chimpy is becoming the lamest of ducks. He has little ability, if any, to force his will on Congress. And as soon as the Congress understands that --- wll then...

            it tastes like burning...

            by eastvan on Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 07:04:30 PM PDT

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      •  this thread was about ... (0+ / 0-)

        Americans being upset that democrats have not gone far enough.  Which I agree with. They had many battles they could have fought -- and more often then not they chose the time consuming, uphill climbs with uncertain outcome instead of the "slam dunk".

        Everything you say above could very well prompt a constitutional crisis over the attorney firings, but thats not a slam dunk -- and the complexity of the case means it may extend judicially at least into the next administration.

        As for your comment, "Now, with confirmation of Bush's nominee apparently being tied to forthcoming documentation about the firings..." all I can say is "Why would the democrats do that?"

        Maybe I'm being a bit of a devil's advocate here
        On a political level, that seems like it could be a losing position that makes the Democrats look spiteful and partisan-- especially after the democrats succesfully made the case that the Justice department was in chaos, it's reputation destroyed by an AG that was an idiot, a psychopath and everything in between.

        So now you believe the the Democrats are going to hold up the hearing on  Mukasey and perpetuate the chaos, preventing the Justice department from rebuilding its trust by making the needs of the American people for a competant Justice department take a backseat to the Democrats desire to prosecute the president and Gonzalez?

        I don't think they will do that.  

        But They might allow the hearing to go on and then try to get Mukasey to agree to honor the subpoenas etc. Which, of course, he would never do.

        Let the fireworks begin.

        "There's a thin line between fishing and standing on the shore looking like an idiot." -Stephen Wright

        by Bowa on Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 06:28:11 PM PDT

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        •  My pie-in-the-sky assumption was not my own (0+ / 0-)

          but was based on an article in this morning's NYT, headlined -- "Democrats Tie Confirmation to Inquiries" and subheadlined -- "Challenge to Nominee for Attorney General"

          The article, by Sheryl Gay Stolberg (love that middle name) and David M. Herzenhorn states:

          Two Senate Democrats warned Monday that the Judiciary Committee would delay confirmation of President Bush's choice for attorney general unless the White House turned over documents that the panel was seeking for several investigations.

          The two Democrats were Senator Patrick Leahy, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Senator Chuck Schumer of NY.

          "Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --George W. Bush

          by RevJoe on Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 06:45:02 PM PDT

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          •  I know what they said (0+ / 0-)

            I just don't think they will go through with it.

            Why would Leahy and Schumer hold up the hearing and leave the Democrats open to charges that they are obstructing the process when they can put their party in a much better light by pressing Mukasey in the hearing on these various issues and try getting him on the record to say he plans to play ball with the Congress, honor the subpoenas, and help them in any way he can to show that the Justice department is "for the people' and not just the President.

            And if Mukasey  doesn't agree to play ball, then the democrats have a reason to kill the nomination entirely.

            "There's a thin line between fishing and standing on the shore looking like an idiot." -Stephen Wright

            by Bowa on Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 06:51:59 PM PDT

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