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  •  I guess this is "quaint" too... (3+ / 0-)
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    AnnCetera, MikeTheLiberal, Deep Harm

    ...So if a law that applies retroactively, thereby legalizing criminal conduct that was criminal conduct when it was criminally committed(Emphasis on CRIMINAL, hello!)

    IOKIYAR: It's not an EX POST FACTO law as long as repubs are doing the crimes.

    Article I Section 9. Clause 3:
    No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

    Ex post facto
    From Wex, everyone's resource for law learning
    Latin for "from a thing done afterward." Ex post facto is most typically used to refer to a law that applies retroactively, thereby criminalizing conduct that was legal when originally performed. Two clauses in the US Constitution prohibit ex post facto laws: Art 1, § 9 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section9) and Art. 1 § 10 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section10). see, e.g. Collins v. Youngblood, 497 US 37 (1990) and California Dep't of Corrections v. Morales, 514 US 499 (1995).

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/...

    So I guess, also because it's the converse of the letter of the law, it's ok to violate the spirit of the law! Oh well, they've never let the Constitution or the rule of law stand in their way before, so why moan and complain about it now, right? They'll just keep passing laws covering-up all their crimes.

    Why don't they just officially scrap the Constitution and re-write one they won't have to circumvent at every turn? It sure would save me from writing so many diaries condemning their crimes against the "old" Constitution.

    08.04.07 It took the Titanic longer to sink than for the 110th Congress to surrender to Bush.

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 09:23:52 AM PDT

    •  Immunity is not an ex post facto law (2+ / 0-)
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      An ex post facto law creates a punishable offense and applies it to conduct occurring before enactment.

      "This machine kills fascists"--words on Woody Guthrie's guitar

      by Old Left Good Left on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 09:46:18 AM PDT

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    •  Hypocrites (4+ / 0-)

      (Quietly) Congress has been telling whistleblower groups that it can't pass a law that retroactively applies to whistleblowers seeking compensation for jobs lost because they reported wrongdoing.

      But, now Congress wants to retroactively protect companies that engaged in wrongdoing?

      I hereby declare the Constitution officially dead.

      Among a people generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist. - Edmund Burke

      by Deep Harm on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 09:46:23 AM PDT

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    •  Doesn't applly (0+ / 0-)

      You can make something legal after the fact. For example we legalize pot and dismiss all those charged and serving sentences.

      But we could not make abortion illegal and throw everyone who had an abortion in the last 10 years in jail.

      We shall overcome, someday.

      by Sam Wise Gingy on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 09:47:30 AM PDT

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      •  If the repubs have their way... (1+ / 0-)
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        marina

        ...I wouldn't bet the farm on that:

        But we could not make abortion illegal and throw everyone who had an abortion in the last 10 years in jail.

        They overthrew Habeas Corpus with a statute and coupled with "retroactive immunity" they would have every legal means to do it, and wouldn't even have to list a Bill of Particulars listing that as the reason! Can't you all see it? It's as plain as the face holding your "bloodied nose"!

        08.04.07 It took the Titanic longer to sink than for the 110th Congress to surrender to Bush.

        by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 10:12:11 AM PDT

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