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  •  I’m curious how all this is going to work (0+ / 0-)

    While the nobility of the mission seems readily apparent, the question will be the means by which the legislators are able to fund the various health care initiatives. I’ve got to believe that focus groups have beem employed to test these approaches as the cigarette tax is targeted at some 35-40 million adult smokers in America, many of whom are assumed to be voters.

    The same is true with mandatory participation in a health insurance plan. Those millions of people, and it should be assumed that there is potential for a high degree of overlap between these two groups, are also voters. The threat of eventual penalities for non participation in an insurance plan may be the only means to reach full coverage, however, the choice these targeted groups of people will have to make is do they surrender more of their freedom to the power of the state in ever increasing ways. I think it’s likely inevitable and not necessarily a bad thing.

    It may be a tough fight given the numbers but if successful, like taxes, it will come to be accepted as a part of the American way of life. I don’t actually think Bush loses on this veto, not that he has much left to lose anyway, and I think this could actually cost democrats some of their well earned support, potentially among independents and definitely among libertarians of all stripes, not because of the mission, but because of the means. Time and debate and the ultimate judgment of the voters will tell and as noted, one has to believe that in the modern era of politics both of these programs have been focus group tested and the results should not be surprising to the politicians on either side.

    •  you can get some idea here (0+ / 0-)

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 09:17:17 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks DemFromCT for the links...mucho (0+ / 0-)

        From one of those links:

        While there is widespread concern over the health care system, the solutions acceptable to voters require a nuanced approach. For example, while the current survey finds 50% in favor of government guaranteed health insurance, an earlier survey found that just 33% favor a national health insurance program. Additionally, while half of all voters favor government guaranteed insurance coverage, only 36% believe that such a program would be better run by the government. Forty-three percent (43%) believe it would be better run by "private companies under something like current private insurance" programs.

        Other political challenges abound, especially among small businesses—60% of small business owners believe that a government mandate to provide healthcare coverage to employees would have a negative impact on their business and 57% favor taxing wealthier Americans to provide coverage for those without insurance.

        The most recent telephone survey also finds significant gender and partisan gaps on the issue. Women strongly favor a government guarantee of universal health insurance coverage. Men are more evenly divided. Men, by a 53% to 33% margin say that private companies would do a better job running a guaranteed health insurance program while women are evenly divided.

        Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Democrats favor government guaranteed universal health care. That view is shared by 29% of Republicans and 48% of those not affiliated with either major party.

        Democrats, by a 53% to 25% margin, believe such a program would be better run by the government. Republicans (59% to 25%) and unaffiliated voters (49% to 27%) take the opposite view and believe the program would be better run by private companies.

        Thirty percent (30%) say they followed news stories about the Clinton proposal Very Closely and another 35% followed the story Somewhat Closely.

        •  I'm not a fan of employer mandates (1+ / 0-)
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          And it's worth noting that minimum wage is not enough to purchase a median family health insurance policy.

          Everyone needs health care, whether they are working or not, whether their income comes from their labor or their investments or or draining the savings or leaching off Aunt Mabel or getting child support. You still need health care if you get sick and lose your job.

          It's worth noting, BTW,  that SCHIP is run by private insurance companies in nearly every state. It's not the government writing checks to doctors.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 01:59:39 PM PDT

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