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  •  "People?" (0+ / 0-)

    Where?  I know I didn't.  

    Besides, how do you know I don't smoke?  And what makes you think smokers don't want higher tobacco taxes?  I know my mom and step-dad hate paying more for their cigarettes, but they think tobacco taxes are fine, because they hate the fact that they have to smoke.  

    And since you've refused on at least a half-dozen instances to recant your canard that non-smokers don't pay for the societal costs of smoking, you are now willfully lying, so you shove the hypocrite claim up your lying ass.

    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by Dana Houle on Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 10:07:45 AM PDT

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    •  DemFromCT and at Least One Other Poster.... (0+ / 0-)

      ....did imply that I should simply "quit smoking", undoubtedly believing they made a great debate-ending witticism by saying so and rendering me unable to continue the discussion having been outed with my vested interest in holding down cigarette prices.  But believe it or not, I'm actually thinking about someone other than myself here...which can't be said for those who sanctimoniously villify critics of the SCHIP expansion yet plan to force others to pay for that SCHIP expansion.

      •  boost yourself in your own mind (1+ / 0-)
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        any way you'd like. I could care less whether you smoke as an individual. As public policy, it's a good thing to discourage smoking. On this I stand with CDC and the American Lung Association and the American Cancer Society and countless professional societies. I am on extremely firm ground here.

        OTOH, it's a free society and people do what they do.

        You, sir, are assuredly entitled to your opinion, but when your facts are wrong expect to be challenged. And if your answer is that anyone who disagrees with you is 'sanctimonious', well, that won't substitute for data, studies, links, articles and facts.

        I'm supplying them and you're not. That, my friend, is the ballgame.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 10:32:53 AM PDT

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        •  Where Are My Facts Wrong? (0+ / 0-)

          You can't make a blanket accusation like that without supporting it.

          •  support provided (2+ / 0-)
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            in the form of replies to you where you are shown to be wrong about your basic concept of the cost of smoking cessation (cost to be borne, but not an extraordinary one that bankrupts society):

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            and here, where you are shown to be wrong about your characterization of the harmlessness of ETS (and in this you are just flat out wrong in regard to astham SIDS and other illnesses).

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            I agree claims need to be substantiated. Want to count our posts today and see whose has more links? I have been providing them all day.

            And, too late, alas, I need to point out this is a diary about SCHIP not cig smoke. Why don't you write (yet another) cigarette diary if you want to take this further?

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 11:29:31 AM PDT

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            •  It's One and the Same.... (0+ / 0-)

              ....since SCHIP is designated to be financed by cigarettes.  Why would you even attempt to bait and switch me on that?

              Yes, the wildly overfunded forces of nanny-statism have huge financial interests pulling their strings (a la the insurance industry) providing all sorts of demagogic studies that the easily manipulated can provide links to.  You have more links than I, but more isn't always better.

              •  quality, not just quantity (1+ / 0-)
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                The links I have provided happen to reference the NEJM, ALA, Surgeon General's report, etc. and other quality data collections.

                I don't think you are in the least interested in facts, Mark27. You have still to acknowledge the two basic points you are wrong about (fundamental issues, those, you will agree!) and you now resort to silliness like 'nanny-statism'.

                Not an impressive performance.

                "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                by Greg Dworkin on Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 11:58:36 AM PDT

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              •  PS I am not baiting and switching you (2+ / 0-)
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                DelRPCV, thankgodforairamerica

                I am playing 'host' as the diary author and attempting to keep the topic on track as I did here.

                It's not that it isn't an interesting discussion, but this aspect of it really is more interesting to you than to anyone else. And since (speaking of nanny state) I can't babysit you all day, I thought you might like to take it elsewhere.

                Your call.

                "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                by Greg Dworkin on Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 12:03:59 PM PDT

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