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  •  Actually you are wrong (3+ / 0-)

    It is explicitly against NFL rules to videotape coaches signals.  There is no "wrong" but rather a wrong.  The Patriots did it after being warned several times.  End of story.  

    If you need to be acquainted with the actual NFL rules, visit Pro Football Talk.  This is one of the most respected NFL blogs out there and it's in black and white that the Patriots broke the rules.  

    It is then only natural to ask how much they have broken the rules.  

    •  which is why (1+ / 0-)
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      the NFL investigated and found that there were no further violations.  End of story.

      •  I see we have a disgruntled Boston fan (0+ / 0-)

        Easterbrook's whole point was that certain questions regarding the Pats Superbowl wins went unanswered.  It's a fair question to ask if there is more there there (not a typo).    

        My specific comment was directed at the person above who said there was no "wrong" committed by the Patriots.  I then linked to the site which specifically discussed the actual rules of the NFL which stated videotaping isn't allowed.  

        I think it's funny you use the line "the NFL investigated and found there were no further violations."  As a member of this site, would you feel the same way if you read a story that said, "the Bush Administration investigated and found that there were no further violations"?  You'd probably question it a bit, don't ya think?  

        •  think (0+ / 0-)

          I see we have a disgruntled Boston fan

          "I see we have a MoveOn liberal.  I see we have a Kossack."

          If we're talking about allegations, facts and reality, such labeling is irrelevent and disingenuous. I certainly haven't questioned your motives and allegiances, nor the diarist's.  Just the facts-- or lack thereof.

          My response was to your statement "It is then only natural to ask how much they have broken the rules."  I pointed out the obvious: this was done.  

          Apparently, though, an investigation is not valid if it does not produce the answers that you want.

          I think it's funny how otherwise intelligent people can routinely equate any given situation to the Bush administration and the crimes and catastrophes of the last six years.  Frankly, I think it demeans what we have witnessed.

          •  Actually, (0+ / 0-)

            it wasn't "done."  You have no idea what the investigation involved, you didn't see the evidence, and you would have no idea how long the Patriots have been doing this.  Simply put, you are taking the word of the NFL as gospel and stating their conclusions as fact.  I am supporting Easterbrook's argument that there is more to the situation than meets the eye and we don't have all the answers.

            Mind you, the NFL has a vested interest in making this scandal disappear, i.e. the Tim Donaghy scandal in the NBA.  Do you really think the nation's number one pastime, a $6 billion corporation, wants the public to question the integrity of the games?  Wouldn't it follow that if people believe the games were fixed, they might not spend hundreds of dollars on tickets, merchandise, etc.?

            For such an intelligent person, I would imagine you would learn to question what you are told and not be a stenographer like our Washington press core.  

            Finally, in response to the Bush Administration example, you are misrepresenting my statement.  I used Bush as an example that could be plainly understood by members of the site.  I in no way tried to equate their actions to football.  Instead, would you take the word of toy companies saying their toys were completely safe?  How about dog/cat food and their contamination?  

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