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    It seems to me that this whole brou haha has been exaserbated by people "reading their agenda" into the facts on the ground. It sounds like you just "read your agenda" into my comment.

    Okay. Let me lay this out very openly and spare you the reading.

    People get yanked in politics on both sides. Most of the time it's not done for spite or for no reason, but because the party wants to win and doesn't think it can win with a particular candidate. The Republicans weren't going to win California with Darrell Issa--did you think so? I wanted to point this out, lest someone think that the idea of yanking was somehow unprecedented. It's not. And it's not always a bad idea. If your candidate is scandal-ridden, or say, indicted or something, you want to be able to pull them out before the election.

    Is this a situation for yanking? Well, you'd have to look at the facts first before deciding.

    Things I did NOT say OR mean OR believe but you chose to read or insinuate.

    Ginny Schrader SHOULD be yanked
    Ginny Schrader could not win an open race

    Things I did believe

    Ginny Schrader could not win the race as it stood against Greenwood.

    I'm not going to win the Tour de France either.

    I'm happy with my $20 of influence

    by JMS on Tue Jul 20, 2004 at 09:59:50 AM PDT

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    •  WTF? (none)
      what in god's green earth does your response have to do with anything in my short query?  i honestly don't know where you managed to infer my "agenda" from my 25-word response ...

      vote early - vote often

      by wystler on Tue Jul 20, 2004 at 10:41:03 AM PDT

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      •  maybe more words? (none)
        what does "boils down to yanking a candidate who can't win" mean other than that you think that I believe the candidate can't win? Care to explain in more detail?

        I'm happy with my $20 of influence

        by JMS on Tue Jul 20, 2004 at 11:33:49 AM PDT

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        •  4 U (none)
          My agenda?  Making sure that the press guys know how to address the media.  Keep operations in the back room, and, lacking any substantive reason to the contrary, speak only positively of the party's candidates.

          You jumped in to agree with Petey's post, continuing his defense of Mr. Spade, which included:

          But what if Schrader is a lousy candidate with something nasty in her past?  What if there is a much better candidate in the district?  Because the blogosphere was able to raise ten or twenty grand for Schrader today, the DCCC isn't supposed to even consider those possibilities?  What rot.

          You seemed more than a little supportive about yanking a candidate who cannot win.  I don't entirely disagree, though I have severe misgivings, given that the primary has happened, and that there are no apparent skeletons, given the unsuccessful run in 2002, when it's likely that the state party vetted her candidacy.

          It still draws back to Markos' issue, though.  If the party were to decide that the candidate should be talked out of running, that sort of manuever should not be aired in public.  And no public statement opportunities should pass prior to any vetting process suggesting that the party was not 100% behind the candidate.  

          Detailed enough?

          vote early - vote often

          by wystler on Tue Jul 20, 2004 at 12:52:17 PM PDT

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