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  •  Well, I'm not 'familiar with architectural...' (2+ / 0-)
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    drawings, but I've seen some damn weird accidents in my time.

    I would point more to your questions

    Was everyone involved in the project secretly supportive of the Nazis?
    If not, how could others not have noticed, unless there was a serious cover-up involved?

    Exactly why I still think it's possibly accidental.  If there was intent, how could so many hundreds or even thousands involved in the construction not have thrown a hissy fit at the time?

    Again, if there was anti-Semitism at work, I'd look to the architectural firm, not the Navy.

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    by drbloodaxe on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 07:30:14 AM PDT

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    •  Here's my guess (6+ / 0-)

      Architectural plans get drawn up.  Some junior architect notices the swastika, but doesn't dare tell anyone the boss made such a mistake, god knows what would happen to him if he did.

      Cue to the Navy:  at some point, someone there notices the swastika, but by that point they've spent so much money on the design (or building), and no one wants to take responsibility for starting over, so they quietly file the drawings away.  Hell, no one will ever notice, who would ever look at these buildings from the air?

      You can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into. - Jonathan Swift

      by A Mad Mad World on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 07:46:22 AM PDT

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      •  A much more (0+ / 0-)

        logical argument, very much more Occam's razorish than assuming any kind of conspiracy.

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        by drbloodaxe on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 07:51:36 AM PDT

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      •  There are several buildings in my hometown (1+ / 0-)
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        that are precisely designed to be seen from the air. They're a lot smaller than this barracks. San Diego has a lot more planes buzzing around it than Iowa City does.

        It's possible that sunk-cost psychology and fear of reprisal led to the Navy approving what would transparently have resembled the Nazi symbol in diagrams and in the scale model, but even your hypothesis acknowledges that they knowingly built the thing. But so soon after WWII?

        I notice that the building was rotated 45 degrees from the drawing on the vicinity plan, which is the crucial detail that makes it a Nazi symbol rather than an ancient mystical sigil.

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        by oldjohnbrown on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 07:59:59 AM PDT

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        •  Whoops, n/m about rotation n/t (0+ / 0-)

          No laws but Liberty. No king but Conscience.

          by oldjohnbrown on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 08:04:36 AM PDT

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        •  Knowingly built the thing (1+ / 0-)
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          Yeah, I suspect that did happen.  But knowingly is not the same thing as willfully.

          We have to keep in mind that WWII was still very much on peoples' minds in the 60's. Though I believe there was an American Nazi party at the time, I'm not aware that it had any real presence in the military.

          One could argue that the inflammatory nature of the error is precisely why it was hidden rather than corrected -- who would want to be the architect or officer responsible for such an embarrassing gaffe?

          You can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into. - Jonathan Swift

          by A Mad Mad World on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 08:10:21 AM PDT

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    •  It's probably not relevant... (2+ / 0-)
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      But one of the top Nazi scientists grabbed by the US military, a guy who did ground breaking work in missile technology, was installed at the NAB base.

      Maybe the design was meant to make him feel at home.

      Just kidding.

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      dozens of folks have access to these prints, from designer right on down to field construction superintendents.
      Of course, higherups have control of what their subordinates get to see...

      This was built in, like what, 1968?

      How many of those construction types do you think might have spent time in the German theatre as younger men? Normandy, maybe?
      I'll bet they would have raised a little rucus if they knew what was going on...

      The only explanation is that everyone involved was involved... or that information, like the vicinity drawing was not distributed as is normal in a project like this one. That means cover-up, whether for nefarious means or just to avoid embarassment...

      "As God is my witness, I thought wingnuts could fly."

      by Niniane on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 08:30:18 AM PDT

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