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  •  Collective punishment? (22+ / 0-)

    The Israeli academy is the sector of Israeli society that is most vocally critical of Israeli policy toward the Palestinians. An academic boycott punishes those people who are our best hope for sane policy.

    Academic boycotts are also contrary to the most fundamental tenets of scholarship. The free and open exchange of ideas doesn't stop at the border of a country you don't like.

    Nor should it.

    •  what? (0+ / 0-)

      you are against collective punishment now? I don't see you crying when Israel starts bombing everybody or locking the ghetto, because it feels hurt.

      Most fundamental tenet of scholarship is humanity and asking "why".  Obviously these things either don't exist in Israel or has zero effect since same things keep happening.

      Here is a question:

      1. do you think Israel is a military regime or not? (ie. is there such thing as free election outside pre determine military leaders) If not, how come it has only rightwing military leaders?
      1. if so, what is the structure that prop such power elite? Isn't it time to dismantle them? Or at least Not supporting a system that keep killing people.
      1. More importantly: a personal question to you.: Is what Israel doing is right or wrong. Do you support it? What concrete step can you take? Are you informing yourself honestly?

      Remember this is not some cute philo 101 question. People are dead by the thousands.

      Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

      by fugue on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 03:37:02 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, you don't see me crying? (15+ / 0-)

        How would you know what I do? How many times have I written here about how much I disagree with Israel's policies toward the Palestinians? I don't talk much about what specifically I do here because folks like you have a tendency to jump to conclusions like the ones you just made, and I have neither the patience nor the desire to deal with such nonsense.

        But since it seems you don't care about that fact and you just want to rely on straw men to attack me, how about this: aren't you a hypocrite if you don't also demand an academic boycott against the US for the Iraq war? Against Zimbabwe for Mugabe's policies? Against North Korea for violating human rights left and right? Against Myanmar for denying that human rights exist in the first place? Against Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, and a few dozen other countries for their policies of putting to death LGBT folks? Against Russia for Putin's return to Soviet-style repression? I could go on...

        And aren't you a hypocrite if you are opposed to collective punishment against the Palestinians, almost none of whom have done anything to deserve any punishment at all, but you favor it against Israeli academics, almost none of whom have done anything to deserve any punishment at all?

        •  Let's go further (4+ / 0-)
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          arielle, wiscmass, MBNYC, GoldnI

          let's all boycott everyone who does anything bad!  

          Oh wait..... then we'd all be alone.  

        •  Boycott them all... (0+ / 0-)

          unless there's no cause.

          aren't you a hypocrite if you don't also demand an academic boycott against the US for the Iraq war? Against Zimbabwe for Mugabe's policies? Against North Korea for violating human rights left and right? Against Myanmar for denying that human rights exist in the first place? Against Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, and a few dozen other countries for their policies of putting to death LGBT folks? Against Russia for Putin's return to Soviet-style repression?

          The U.S.? What I can I say?

          "Yeah, yeah, yeah...we killed or caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands possibly in the million of Iraqis. And if it wasn't for us, a coupla millions of them wouldn't be sittin' as refugees in countries that don't want you. Hell, we don't want you. And yes, we detain the innocent and the child. Okay, okay. Some of them are tortured and raped. And too, we are seriously considering a Round Three. But boycott? That's extreme. It isn't fair. Don't you see that this is collective punishment against Americans. No American dies, of course, but still. It's the principle. This boycott would be a grave hardship for us. Dammit, there's a conference coming up soon. We're told pastries are being catered. Pastries for God's sake!! But, most of all, no one will know how intelligent we think we are."

          Man, the level of outrage regarding this boycott is frankly, ridiculous. And that this boycott is actually described as 'collective punishment' is doubly so.

          The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world She didn't exist.

          by callmecassandra on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 08:21:18 PM PDT

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        •  Let's put it this way (0+ / 0-)

          Israel is so depended on US money and military technology, they can't even win a war against hezbollah 20 miles out of the border on their own feet.

          And you want to talk about 25% of military budget and almost all of advance military hardware?

          gimme a break. Israel won't exist longer than 8 years without US money.

          Nevermind Syria and Iran, Israel won't be able to win war against Jordanian army if they have a border war.

          Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

          by fugue on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 11:27:45 AM PDT

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          •  So your pipe dream now is (0+ / 0-)

            that the US is going to stop supporting Israel?

            Given the broad, deep, and long-lasting support for Israel among the American people, you might think twice about holding your breath on that one.

            If Venus is made of ketchup and lions play pinochle, why doesn't the framistan frizzmaz the flomaton?

            by zemblan on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 11:32:44 AM PDT

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            •  ehrr no (0+ / 0-)

              general academic boycott has nothing to do with DC.

              Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

              by fugue on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 11:36:42 AM PDT

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              •  then you need to figure out (3+ / 0-)
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                what the hell you're talking about, because a general academic boycott has nothing to do with the

                US money and military technology

                you were talking about just one post above in this thread.

                If Venus is made of ketchup and lions play pinochle, why doesn't the framistan frizzmaz the flomaton?

                by zemblan on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 11:38:59 AM PDT

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