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    blue vertigo

    abbey, you do understand that Isherwood was writing fiction, don't you?  I'm sure he got many of his ideas from his life experiences but you can't use a fictional event in one of his stories to prove that the event actually happened.  This is kinda important as it was a Ronnie Raygun specialty.

    •  Isherwood wrote both fiction and non-fiction (0+ / 0-)

      and Berlin Stories has both in it. He tells of the hidden strength of the labor movement that did not realize their own power at the time and so the brown shirt SS vigilantes won. Hmmmmmmmm.

      Also in Berlin Stories is his return after the war when Berlin was all rubble. He visits his old landlady and she is glad to see him. But everything he loved is gone: the cafes, everything.

      Anyone who has been tortured, remains tortured. Primo Levi The Drowned and the Saved

      by abbeysbooks on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:50:09 PM PDT

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      •  abbey . . . (0+ / 0-)

        I've read quite a bit about Weimar and Nazi Germany and I've never seen the claim that people were murdered in their homes, canned and sold for meat.  If you want to make such a claim I suggest that you find a legitimate link for it.  Isherwood was telling a story, perhaps using a metaphor and you tend to believe things too easily.  

        •  You are confused (0+ / 0-)

          I did not say people were murdered in their homes. What I said was:

          there were really hideous crimes. People murdering people in their apartments and then canning them and selling the meat.

          To be more detailed a particular serial killer lured mostly young girls in his apartment, murdered them, canned them and sold them as meat. The people were starving at that time, no one had money or food, and inflation was outrageous.

          When Isherwood writes of visiting his old landlady and telling what was left of the block after the war, that is not fiction. His retelling of newspaper articles was not fiction. Berlin Storiesis a mixture. Just because he uses the name stories in the title does not mean all of it is fiction. That would be rather a fundamentalist literary interpretation, don't you think?

          Anyone who has been tortured, remains tortured. Primo Levi The Drowned and the Saved

          by abbeysbooks on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 11:11:09 PM PDT

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          •  abbey . . . (1+ / 0-)
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            blue vertigo

            we are not talking about his landlady here we are talking about whether your comment:

            People murdering people in their apartments and then canning them and selling the meat.

            Is based on fact.  For one thing you provide no link to demonstrate that this happened even once.  Then you magnify that error by exaggerating it, turning one presumably nutso serial killer into "people".  The "meat processing and sale" claim is the part I really would like you to document.  This could be a teachable moment.  

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