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  •  Can't agree there (4+ / 0-)

    Looking across the states, there's a clear correlation between tax levels and smoking rates in the different states.  I lived in MA when they hiked cigarette taxes greatly and used the money for an aggressive anti-smoking campaign (and for covering some of the uninsured).  Smoking rates quickly dropped to the second-lowest in the nation.

    Cigarette taxes are voluntary.  The higher they are, the more people choose not to pay them.

    Don't expect to live in a democracy if you're not prepared to be an active citizen.

    by Dallasdoc on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 04:36:55 PM PDT

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    •  Taxing an addiction (0+ / 0-)

      isn't a voluntary tax. And BTW, which is it? Are we going to tax smoking so that everyone quits or are we going to fund SCHIP with smoking? Can't have your cake and eat it too.

      •  How about,,,, (2+ / 0-)
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        blueyedace2, CA Libertarian

        using the money we subsidize tobacco with to pay for SCHIP?

        There ya go, problem solved.

        Sorry, but tobacco growers get no sympathy from me.  For eons, farmers have changed crops because of changing conditions.  Well, tobacco growers can learn to adapt.  Or quit.  Whichever they choose.

        "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 3800+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

        by Miss Blue on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 05:27:59 PM PDT

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    •  They're Voluntary Only So Far.... (2+ / 0-)
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      ....as funding health care for children is "voluntary".  Under this funding mechanism, if more people choose not to pay tobacco taxes, more people choose not to provide health insurance for children.  Is it wise to hinge children's health care on a revenue source that you are enthusiastically hoping to be depleted?  This is unconscionable.

      •  Is the appopriation tied to the funding? (2+ / 0-)
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        blueyedace2, oscarsmom

        I haven't read the bill, but matching acts like this are normally independent of each other.  If cigarette taxes don't cover tha appropriation, the difference is added to the deficit.

        Neither SCHIP nor funding necessities from cigarette taxes would be my choice, but both are better than nothing in and of themselves.  Higher cigarette taxes encourage people to quit smoking, and that's reason enough to raise them.

        Don't expect to live in a democracy if you're not prepared to be an active citizen.

        by Dallasdoc on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 04:44:02 PM PDT

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        •  I guess you've never been a smoker. (1+ / 0-)
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          The only thing raising cigarette taxes are going to encourage, for most people, is taking the money they would have spent on things like dental care and paying this tax increase instead.

          •  It's Moral Bankruptcy.... (1+ / 0-)
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            ....on the highest order....and the mindset of "saving the naughty from themselves" ensures us of a national tax burden under "progressives" that is massively more regressive than what exists in Grover Norquist's wettest dreams.

            •  Aye, (0+ / 0-)

              Because the thing is. If they wanted to increase taxes to $1 a pack as PART of the funding to give EVERYONE health care, then I'd be all for it. I'm just sick of progressives thinking it's ok for them to come to my wallet over and over again for every little project.

              •  Exactly.... (0+ / 0-)

                ....the government already profits billions per year from smoking.  But they're never satisfied with the golden bounty.  I'd love to see the tobacco companies declare they will cease and desist doing business in America because of the declining customer base and the burdensome costs of doing business....and then observe the looks of unmitigated terror on the faces of our hypocritical "antismoking" political leaders who discover the government will experience financial ruin without the goose laying down the $100 billion per year golden eggs.

        •  You Realize You're Just Making Poor People Poorer (2+ / 0-)
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          ....by favoring tobacco tax increases just for the sake of tobacco tax increases.  Last year, I was convinced the Republicans were the party of the sanctimonious pseudo-puritans trying to forcefully impose their lifestyle on the masses.  Now I'm not so sure.

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