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  •  Fearmongering is a tool used by both sides. (0+ / 0-)

    From not wanting to expand a program towards the road of government sponsored healthcare, it has turned into not wanting to insure children. Not many people here have read the details, they just see it as an opportunity to bash Bush. I'm here primarily because I want the war to end, but find myself in disagreement on so many other issues.

    •  I know the details epretty well (0+ / 0-)

      and don't get your point. See the facts

      If SCHIP did not exist, we estimate that the rate of uninsured children would have risen by 3.3 percentage points, instead of declining by 0.7 percentage points between 2000 and 2003. Furthermore, we estimate that the number of uninsured children would have grown by 2.7 million, rather than declining by 0.4 million. These measures illustrate how the availability of public coverage protected many low-income children from becoming uninsured between 2000 and 2003.

      see the uninsured children, see the public support. What's your beef?

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 09:35:18 AM PDT

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      •  I have no beef with SCHIP (0+ / 0-)

        it's great. It's also being expanded, that's great. I like the idea for poor people, not middle class and not for illegal aliens. If those groups are excluded, Im in.

        •  well, as for that (0+ / 0-)

          see original post about illegals:

          It is against federal law for illegal immigrants to sign up for SCHIP programs. That wouldn't change.

          As far as middle class, the eligibility depends on which state you live in. A family of 5 making 80K in NYC is not middle class, even though they might be doing bettter at that salary elsewhere. But the feds get to decide whether to grant waivers at that level.

          Chuck Grassley, of all people, shot down the idea that this was a middle class program.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 10:30:25 AM PDT

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          •  I'm not too sure about that (0+ / 0-)

            to apply, at least in NYS, children who are NYS residents are eligible regardless of their immigration status.

            •  fed law bars illegals (0+ / 0-)

              States would be able to seek expansions to cover middle-class families, said a Senate Republican aide who worked on the legislation, but federal funding would be restricted. The Health and Human Services Department could also deny such requests. One outside analysis estimated that about 80 percent of the uninsured children who stand to obtain coverage are in low-income families.

              As for immigrants, the bill would aim to keep them off the program. Under pressure from the Senate, House Democrats agreed to drop language that would have allowed foreign-born children who are here legally to obtain coverage. That prompted a coalition of 40 Hispanic organizations to oppose the measure.

              http://www.baltimoresun.com/...

              legal immigrants are drastically underinsured.

              Access to healthcare coverage is one of the greatest health issues facing immigrants today. According to the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, recent immigrants are much less likely to have health insurance than US citizens. In addition, many children, usually US citizens themselves, living in low-income immigrant families have a higher uninsured rate than their counterparts living in native-born families. (2) The US has two large health care coverage programs available to immigrants, Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). SCHIP is an enhanced program where the federal government matches funds to states in order to expand health insurance coverage to children. SCHIP serves about 5 million children providing coverage for children ineligible for Medicaid, and covers prenatal care regardless of immigration status. (2) With the passage of Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity and Reconciliation Act (PRWORA) in 1996, the number of immigrants eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP has been drastically reduced. The PRWORA includes a "five year bar" that prohibits most legal immigrants from receiving Medicaid or SCHIP during their first five years residing in the US. Other barriers included in the PRWORA have deterred eligible legal immigrants from participating in the Medicaid and SCHIP programs. (2)

              http://nextgenmd.org/...

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 11:20:46 AM PDT

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              •  Re: federal law bars illegals (0+ / 0-)

                the statement that I made was taken right off the application requirements listed on the NYS Dep't of Health website. You only have to show residency, which now you can do with a NYS drivers license.

                •  NYS and the feds will likely clash over that (0+ / 0-)

                  and the bill does not legitimize what NYS is doing. More on the middle class issue:

                  The president also complained that the bill would cover too many children who don't need federal help. "This program expands coverage, federal coverage, up to families earning $83,000 a year. That doesn't sound poor to me," the president told the Lancaster audience.

                  Dorn says that's not exactly right, either. "This bill would actually put new limits in place to keep states from going to very high-income levels. SCHIP money would no longer be available over 300 percent of the federal poverty level, which is about $60,000 for a family of four."

                  The president gets to make the $83,000 claim because New York had wanted to allow children in families with incomes up to four times the poverty level onto the program. That is, indeed, $82,600. The Department of Health and Human Services rejected New York's plan last month, and under the bill, that denial would stand. White House officials warn, however, that the bill would allow a future administration to grant New York's request.

                  http://www.npr.org/...

                  "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                  by Greg Dworkin on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 11:37:47 AM PDT

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                  •  And I only looked at NYS (0+ / 0-)

                    "White House officials warn, however, that the bill would allow a future administration to grant New York's request."

                    I think this is the point. This has only been vetoed because there are some thing that need tuning.

                    If you are over the income requirements in NYS, you have to pay a maximim of $27, for three children or $45 for 5 or more children, monthly.

                    To portray the vetoing as being against insuring children in not completely honest. It will be passed, but with some changes.

                    •  of course it is honest (0+ / 0-)

                      the reasons for vetoing are completely disingenuous.

                      Don't get me wrong, it's not a perfect bill, but the purported  veto 'reasons', like 'illegal immigrants' in the GOP talking points are complete bullshit.

                      You do have legit concerns, but don't think for a minute the WH (or only House Rs and not Sen R's) shares them.

                      The bottom line is that there are millions of kids who are uninsured and this bill would insure them. it's recommended by the non-partisans that evaluate the program, including Mathematica and Georgetown (click my name and scan the last week's posts back to saturday for Mathematica). However, if that happened, the Dems' contention that government works would be proven, Bush's base would desert him, and he'd have nothing. To prevent that, he'll veto the bill and take his party with him over the cliff. Make no mistake, this is being vetoed because of ideology, not practical concerns. That's why Senate Rs are so pissed.

                      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 12:55:16 PM PDT

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                      •  Well, I guess we'll see how this plays out (0+ / 0-)

                        I still think that a very similar version will be passed.

                        Thank you for the civil conversation.

                        •  sure! (0+ / 0-)

                          we'll see what happens...

                          Similar? the devil's in the details! If it is really similar, it's because of D pressure.

                          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 02:30:01 PM PDT

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                        •  this nonpartisan piece may help you (0+ / 0-)

                          and i wasn't exaggerating about Bush's lying.

                          ARE BUSH'S POINTS VALID?

                          President Bush claims that the bipartisan bill to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program "would result in taking a program meant to help poor children and turning it into one that covers children in households with incomes up to $83,000 a year."

                          That's not true.

                          The bill maintains current law. It limits the program to children from families with incomes up to twice the federal poverty level — now $20,650 for a family of four, for a program limit of $41,300 — or to 50 percentage points above a state's Medicaid eligibility threshold, which varies state to state.

                          http://www.mcclatchydc.com/...

                          Bush's False Claims About Children's Health Insurance
                          September 21, 2007
                          The president mischaracterizes congressional efforts to expand the SCHIP program.

                          http://www.factcheck.org/...

                          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 04:01:01 PM PDT

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