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  •  Re: federal law bars illegals (0+ / 0-)

    the statement that I made was taken right off the application requirements listed on the NYS Dep't of Health website. You only have to show residency, which now you can do with a NYS drivers license.

    •  NYS and the feds will likely clash over that (0+ / 0-)

      and the bill does not legitimize what NYS is doing. More on the middle class issue:

      The president also complained that the bill would cover too many children who don't need federal help. "This program expands coverage, federal coverage, up to families earning $83,000 a year. That doesn't sound poor to me," the president told the Lancaster audience.

      Dorn says that's not exactly right, either. "This bill would actually put new limits in place to keep states from going to very high-income levels. SCHIP money would no longer be available over 300 percent of the federal poverty level, which is about $60,000 for a family of four."

      The president gets to make the $83,000 claim because New York had wanted to allow children in families with incomes up to four times the poverty level onto the program. That is, indeed, $82,600. The Department of Health and Human Services rejected New York's plan last month, and under the bill, that denial would stand. White House officials warn, however, that the bill would allow a future administration to grant New York's request.

      http://www.npr.org/...

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 11:37:47 AM PDT

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      •  And I only looked at NYS (0+ / 0-)

        "White House officials warn, however, that the bill would allow a future administration to grant New York's request."

        I think this is the point. This has only been vetoed because there are some thing that need tuning.

        If you are over the income requirements in NYS, you have to pay a maximim of $27, for three children or $45 for 5 or more children, monthly.

        To portray the vetoing as being against insuring children in not completely honest. It will be passed, but with some changes.

        •  of course it is honest (0+ / 0-)

          the reasons for vetoing are completely disingenuous.

          Don't get me wrong, it's not a perfect bill, but the purported  veto 'reasons', like 'illegal immigrants' in the GOP talking points are complete bullshit.

          You do have legit concerns, but don't think for a minute the WH (or only House Rs and not Sen R's) shares them.

          The bottom line is that there are millions of kids who are uninsured and this bill would insure them. it's recommended by the non-partisans that evaluate the program, including Mathematica and Georgetown (click my name and scan the last week's posts back to saturday for Mathematica). However, if that happened, the Dems' contention that government works would be proven, Bush's base would desert him, and he'd have nothing. To prevent that, he'll veto the bill and take his party with him over the cliff. Make no mistake, this is being vetoed because of ideology, not practical concerns. That's why Senate Rs are so pissed.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 12:55:16 PM PDT

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          •  Well, I guess we'll see how this plays out (0+ / 0-)

            I still think that a very similar version will be passed.

            Thank you for the civil conversation.

            •  sure! (0+ / 0-)

              we'll see what happens...

              Similar? the devil's in the details! If it is really similar, it's because of D pressure.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 02:30:01 PM PDT

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            •  this nonpartisan piece may help you (0+ / 0-)

              and i wasn't exaggerating about Bush's lying.

              ARE BUSH'S POINTS VALID?

              President Bush claims that the bipartisan bill to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program "would result in taking a program meant to help poor children and turning it into one that covers children in households with incomes up to $83,000 a year."

              That's not true.

              The bill maintains current law. It limits the program to children from families with incomes up to twice the federal poverty level — now $20,650 for a family of four, for a program limit of $41,300 — or to 50 percentage points above a state's Medicaid eligibility threshold, which varies state to state.

              http://www.mcclatchydc.com/...

              Bush's False Claims About Children's Health Insurance
              September 21, 2007
              The president mischaracterizes congressional efforts to expand the SCHIP program.

              http://www.factcheck.org/...

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 04:01:01 PM PDT

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