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  •  I'm another one who thinks this is a bunch.... (0+ / 0-)

    of hogwash that gives policy wonks a job with a BIG salary and another intrusion of fear for the sheeple.

    •  well, lots of folks like me donate their time (3+ / 0-)
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      and efforts and aren't making a buck on it. Whatever. But do note the main topic here is ordinary people (on-line community) who volunteer their time.

      There are some people who are so cynical they think  all natural disasters are "hogwash that gives policy wonks a job with a BIG salary and another intrusion of fear for the sheeple." That's to be expected when the national response framework is too geared to bioterror and not geared enough to natural disasters. I'd rather see dollars spent on vaccine research than other things, because it will help us not run into shortages of childhood and seasonal flu vaccines each year, just as one example.

      But however you feel, there is enough money being spent on this so that oversight is sensible, rational and good. That means at a minimum educating yourself on the issues, hence why I post the diaries.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 08:40:02 AM PDT

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      •  Count me in as one of the volunteers (3+ / 0-)
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        I'm putting in about 12 hours a week working on a pandemic plan for my local law enforcement. This includes a 20 minutes power point presentation about H5N1, pandemics, and ideas on preparation and possible prevention.

        Thanks for keeping this front and center. While I am afraid that at some point this will happen, we can certainly use the information and knowledge we gain to apply to other disasters and diseases.

        "War doesn't determine who is right, war determines who is left." ~ Bertrand Russell

        by Pandora on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 09:02:19 AM PDT

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      •  If you want to volunteer to develop a plan.... (0+ / 0-)

        that's fine with me, but you should realize that any effort on your part will depend on what the 'government' plan is, if there is one.

        If THEY were serious about anything, except driving Americans to take the flu shot or instilling more fear in the sheep, we would all know what their PLAN would be in the case of a pandemic virus.

        What about air travel and quarantine? Have you read of any plan by the federal govt to arrest contagion?

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          the federal plans, such as they are, are outlined here.

          The main plan is to close schools for up to 12 weeksin a severe pandemic (less long for mild ones) to check the spread of infection in a community. To prepare for that, parents and employers need to make alternative child care arrangements that don't simply reproduce herding kids in large numbers.

          The reason that air travel and quarantine is problematic (I wriote about air travel a bit last week as well, using the recent TB case as an example) is the speed at which thigs get to everywhere through major portals. Also, since so much of our drug manufacture comes from overseas, sealing the borders would kill as many people as it saves. it is still a hot topic being debated at CDC and elsewhere.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 10:26:45 AM PDT

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          •  in the meantime (0+ / 0-)

            billions of dollars of R&D are being invested in flu vaccine. So, if ut holds off, we'll vaccinate the world.

            And that, in a nutshell is the plan. If there's no vaccine, social distancing, community mitigation including school closure,  and everything learned from 1918 is the plan.

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 10:35:00 AM PDT

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          •  But shouldn't there be restriciton on people.... (0+ / 0-)

            travel? Why isn't there any being discussed?

            Why did the TB case not get arrested and quarantined?

            Was the CDC afraid of a lawsuit for the wedding costs?

            •  because by the time restrictions take place (0+ / 0-)

              the disease has already spread. And you can't really secure the border. if you could, we'd have no smuggling and no illegals.

              As far as the TB guy goes, all quarantine plans a re voluntary. Mandatory quarantine is very rarely used, and in a pandemic with 25% of the police sick, you can't enforce it anyway.

              See, these are all important questions, which is why it's important to talk about it beforehand so you have some idea of what to do when the time comes.

              morehere.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 11:49:50 AM PDT

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      •  I'm a volunteer, too (1+ / 0-)
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        I've taken and completed the local CERT course, and have just started a Live Journal community (still really small) about CERT and disaster preparedness. It's cert_info on Live Journal if anyone is interested.

        I'm a big believer in collecting and sharing preparation information, and might make my next Toastmasters project a series of talks about disaster preparedness.

        Everything is theoretically impossible, until it is done. --R. A. Heinlein

        by Sunfell on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 09:47:50 AM PDT

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    •  Where I work, in a agency for the disabled (1+ / 0-)
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      there is a lot of anxiety and uncertainty
      We certainly dont think of this as hog wash, or fear mongering-- and we dont make big salaries.
      Were a pandemic to hit, even a mild one, we could see up to a 30-50% mortality in our agency's clientele, and this says nothing of the economic and social disruption
      When SARS hit Toronto-- we were on needles and pins for weeks-- hoping that no one would introduce it into our community, since we had no way of knowing how bad we wouldbe  hit.

      Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- Wm.Pitt the Younger

      by JeffSCinNY on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 09:11:47 AM PDT

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    •  I have prepared myself (3+ / 0-)
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      Just in case. There are lots of things besides pandemic that would lead to needing a few month's supply, so why not have that available if you can?

      You can be cynical, but prepare anyway for yourself and your family. It doesn't hurt anything, and if you only stock up on what you usually use, and rotate things through so nothing gets to be too old, there is no skin off your nose. Then if some kind of disaster like a tornado, pandemic, loss of job, or whatever, happens, you will have a bit of a cushion of supplies to fall back on.

      Seems like basic common sense to me. I know since we have done that we are very happy about not having to go to town to get things every time we turn around. We talk about it every time we go to our "store" to get something out.

      If nothing else, we are saving our time and gas having supplies stocked up. It costs less to be stocked up!

      "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." Douglas Adams

      by splashy on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 11:45:53 AM PDT

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