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  •  That's right (0+ / 0-)

    but of all of that lot who will be the least likely to be reigned in on Iraq?

    Lieberman... hands down.

    The rest will tow the party line if it is the entire... very powerful... caucus against them.

    Lieberman? Not so much.

    Heck! Even Salazar came out the other day saying it was time to stop funding the war. Surprised the hell out of me.

    60 is the magic number after 51 but give me 61 and Lieberman is powerless. Completely powerless.

    "Parlimentary inquiry Mr. Speaker... does whining come out of my time?"

    by Andrew C White on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 04:31:00 PM PDT

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    •  Why is Iraq the issue? (0+ / 0-)

      with a Dem President directing troop movement, the need to use the Senate to force that issue is likely obviated.

      Support those who burn the flag and wrap themselves in the Constitution; not those who wrap themselves in the flag and burn the Constitution. -8.25, -6.51

      by Superribbie on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 04:51:30 PM PDT

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      •  Not necessarily (1+ / 0-)
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        nor is it wise to pin all hopes on one election that may or may not go our way...

        ... though I certainly expect it will at this point in time regardless of which of our candidates wins...

        ... nor do I think it wise to expect a Democratic President that inherits this greatly strengthened Presidency to willing let go of all that power and return to a more proper balance between executive and legislative.

        Power is tempting beyond all comprehension.

        51 (either with the Veep or without) is the most important number and 60 is the next most.

        But 61 makes things very safe indeed given the nature of one of the independents in the Senate.

        Frankly 57 is probably enough to break the Republican caucus and start finding R's that'll vote with us on various things.

        But 61 makes things very safe.

        None of that however touches on the need to ensure that the additions are progressives and reformers and not additional Nelson's... or Taylor's in the House.

        Peace,

        Andrew

        "Parlimentary inquiry Mr. Speaker... does whining come out of my time?"

        by Andrew C White on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 05:00:56 PM PDT

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        •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

          Frankly 57 is probably enough to break the Republican caucus and start finding R's that'll vote with us on various things.

          I wonder how many would change from R to D if we got to 57. I believe that you're right that 57-58 is very powerful and will sway some Rs our way. But, I do wonder if any will switch parties. Hmmmmm. . .  I wonder who might just decide to switch to a majority party status.

          Frankly, I'm surprised that some haven't already changed.

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