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  •  Please, no more child labor in politics (1+ / 0-)
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    Jon Bird

    This came up a few days ago with the item on John McCain deciding not to deliver a Hillary-bashing speech to an audience of 7th-to-12-graders, because it wasn't appropriate.  I commented, good for him, it's not appropriate...and we should get kids out of politics as props or agents. In my earlier post I did say it would be OK if they were definitely acting on their own, but now I'd just say no, period.  Putting a 12 year old on the radio for this stuff is child abuse.  I don't care how effective his story is, and I don't care how much he wanted to do it...we don't care how much Lolita wanted to do it, it's still statutory rape. So yes, the Republican smear and lie machine is more noxious than ever, absolutely.  But what kind of morons put a 12 year old kid on the firing line?  

    •  The bigger question is (6+ / 0-)

      what kind of morons think denying health care to children is a noble cause.

      Kids are part of the equation. If they're being helped or hurt by government policies, we need to see it.

      Only the Republicans would stoop so low as this. They have no shame, no standards and it appears, little or no heart.

      You're trying to kill the messenger, Rich.

      Grow Our Own Candidates! Gilda Reed (D) LA & possum (D) DE

      by moosely2006 on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 05:31:38 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, that is the bigger question (2+ / 0-)
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        But that doesn't mean we should countenance the manipulation of children to achieve a noble cause.  And it is manipulation be definition.  12 year olds absolutely, positively, cannot form the intention to engage in political action at a highly partisan and high-stakes level.  To me this is an ethical no-brainer.  Is health care for poor children such a close call, politically and ethically, that we have to pull out the stops and put sick kids on the radio to make the case?  I sure hope not.

        I'm not killing the messenger, but as a parent I'd like to bitch-slap whoever sent him to deliver the message.

    •  What?! (5+ / 0-)
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      No you didn't!  You didn't just compare a boy telling his story to statutory rape!  OMG!  That is about as disgustingly stupid as Malkin herself.

      Yes, lets not subject all those 12 year olds to "child abuse" by having them tell their stories.  How about instead we ignore them and silence any message they might have regarding living without health insurance.  That can't be construed as "child abuse" like letting them tell their stories can.

      Talk about moronic...

      •  One obvious and one not-as-obvious response (1+ / 0-)
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        LaFajita

        Jota: The comparison isn't meant to inject sexual content into the discussion, for heaven's sake.  I mention statutory rape because it's a legal concept based on the idea that minors can't genuinely give consent to some things.  I would add national-level partisan politics to the list.  OK?

        About the young man "telling his story".  This makes my argument, not yours.  His story--what he is in a privileged position to know--is that he was sick.  The financial and policy implications are not his story--they're about him, but that's an adult story and an adult should tell it.  

        •  You should have said it this way the 1st time (0+ / 0-)

          You're still wrong, but at least you sound rational.

          Irrationally held truths are more harmful than reasoned errors. -- Thomas H. Huxley

          by Memory Corrupted on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 06:36:47 PM PDT

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        •  what kind of American are you? (4+ / 0-)

          I was politically active at 12. My Jr. High school had a bad reputation with the local paper due to a history of race riots, so my classmates and I organized and brought the editors in to make our case for our school. I saw speaking out then as my right as an American, and if I know the Frosts at all I have no doubt that Graeme does too. I don't think you should presume to know how familiar Graeme is with the financial and policy implications of his story, nor should you assume he does not know he was making a political act.

          You can't live in fear, and we can't beat these people if we cower before them. He has a lot of support from his family, his school and his community, and the Republican smear machine is not as powerful as you think.

          •  I don't recognize this thinking... (1+ / 0-)
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            Jon Bird

            ...as part of a humane political program.  That's all I have to say about it.

          •  I have to say (0+ / 0-)

            My daughter, just turned 13 can talk about the political situation better than most adults I know.  She does have to listen to me, but she also reads and goes to the blogs for information.  She is also more conservative than me.  I would feel very comfortable with her speaking nationally.  She already does at school.  The Rebubs are afraid of her (so she says).  She has been 13 for all of a couple of weeks.  The child is able to speak for himself.

    •  But to be consistent... (6+ / 0-)

      we should then also not have child labor in commercials, movies, sitcoms, etc. etc. The problem is that we have a mass media culture and children are a part of it.

      In this instance, the child is asking for health care, a basic human right...instead of pushing a breakfast cereal or an action figure.

      Therefore, I have less of a problem with it...

      "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

      by grannyhelen on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 07:02:46 PM PDT

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    •  Pigshit (2+ / 0-)
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      At 12 I'd already walked a precinct for Bobby Kennedy and participated in my father's Congressional campaign.

      If I'd had a distinctive and appropriate personal story to add to the picture, I'd have been happy and willing to present it.

      It's child abuse to let a 12 year old speak up in his own interest?

      "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

      by ogre on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 09:14:01 PM PDT

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