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  •  Why Is It A Story, Only If He's Republican? (3+ / 0-)
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    •  Indeed. It's actually more of a story if he's a (0+ / 0-)

      Republican.

      Dog bites man, no big deal. Fascist, coporate-elite party member supports program for those less fortunate - now that's a story.

      I'm supporting Chris Dodd, and his plan to create the Rapid Response Reserve Corps.

      by Skulnick on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 08:04:32 AM PDT

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      •  I don't agree... (3+ / 0-)

        ...how the fuck could anyone calling him or herself a Democrat vote against SCHIP, one of the most successful government programs since Medicare?  The goal here is to pass SCHIP, not to simply embarrass Republicans.  That is best left as the icing on the cake...

        •  I'm saying if he were a Republican, this would be (1+ / 0-)
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          bigger news.

          I knew he was a Democrat, but I disagreed with the original sentiment that this wasn't news if he was a Republican.

          Or maybe I misunderstood the initial thread-starters comment.

          I'm supporting Chris Dodd, and his plan to create the Rapid Response Reserve Corps.

          by Skulnick on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 08:08:23 AM PDT

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          •  I agree with that.... (3+ / 0-)
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            ...but I don't agree with the person above who said that, unless Hill was a Repub, this wasn't news, and move along, nothing to see here...

            (Did Dennis Kucinich really vote against SCHIP?  WTF?)

            •  yeah he voted against it (2+ / 0-)
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              because it didn't go "far enough."

              Though he did come out today and say he would vote to override.

              I just don't understand his rationale that a program is worth torpedoing just because it doesn't do enough. If he agrees with the basic premise of the bill, why would he vote against it? Being a Rep. from Cleveland, it would seem as though voting against this bill would do a great disservice to his constituents.

              I'm supporting Chris Dodd, and his plan to create the Rapid Response Reserve Corps.

              by Skulnick on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 08:16:27 AM PDT

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        •  Simple..... (0+ / 0-)

          ....it's funded by the most regressive tax in existence and will trickle income distribution in America upward.  Hill was one of the few who had it right the first time.  

          •  Yeah yeah we get it (0+ / 0-)

            You are against the funding mechanism.

            Disclosure: Proud to be the Volunteer coordinator for Indiana for WesPAC

            by ElaineinIN on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 09:19:33 AM PDT

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            •  The Question Was How Any Democrat... (0+ / 0-)

              ...could vote against this.  I gave the answer that should be obvious to everyone who doesn't enjoy growing poverty in America.

              •  Easy (0+ / 0-)

                While it is true that cigarette tax is regressive, falling on more low income folks than not, it would be my hope that one day we find a new method to pay for it because the price of the cigarette tax has driven more and more people to quit smoking, thereby solving two public health issues with one bill.

                And yes, while not perfect, I'll cover children's health with any funding method possible, even an imperfect mechanism.

                And disclosre, my father died of lung cancer in 1998 from cigarette smoking, the causation is even listed on his death certificate, so I'm not gonna be very sympathetic so smokers not wanting to pay more to kill themselves and leave children without parents, rational or not, but a least I admit my bias.  

                Disclosure: Proud to be the Volunteer coordinator for Indiana for WesPAC

                by ElaineinIN on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 09:44:03 AM PDT

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                •  Why "Someday"? (0+ / 0-)

                  If we want to responsibly fund SCHIP, why would we want to wait a few years down the road to institute an alternative funding mechanism?  It makes no sense.  And as for supporting this under "any funding method possible will suffice", that's the wrong approach.  If Congress were to designate the SCHIP expansion be financed exclusively by the imposition of a 70% income tax rate on females in Indiana, would you object then?  If the Dems are truly the party of "we're all in this together", we need to take a stand on this epidemic of predatory "sin taxes".  In this case, the only tangible thing one can do to provide health care for children is to smoke tobacco?  Are you fine with the ethics of that?

                  I also take umbrage with the pseudo-puritancial nature of your tobacco tax defense.  When we voted Democrats into Congress last fall, weren't we supposed to be getting rid of the moral authoritarians trying to micromanage the lifestyles of the peasantry?  Cigarette smuggling is the fastest-growing criminal enterprise in America because they're ALREADY priced way beyond their market value.  If we keep artificially raising prices (because the tobacco tax dependent gov't wants us to quit...wink, wink), we won't be able to build prisons fast enough to lock up all the felons newly created in the tobacco black market.   I'd be sympathetic to the children who lost their parents to prison sentences for selling South Carolina cigarettes in Chicago.

                  •  Because the perfect is the enemy of the good (0+ / 0-)

                    Mr. Kucinich

                    It was going to run out now and we needed funding now and yes its politically easier to get it from tobacco funding than to raise taxes .5 across the board.  I admit its imperfect and yes I am fine with the ethics of that.

                    And take umbrage all you want.  I'll feel bad about it next time I visit my dad's grave and think about him yelling at me when I dumped his cigarettes in a bucket of water when I was 6.  Or when he wouldn't visit me in law school when I would make him go out side to smoke.  But I won't feel bad for too long.

                    Disclosure: Proud to be the Volunteer coordinator for Indiana for WesPAC

                    by ElaineinIN on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 10:22:11 AM PDT

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                    •  Terri Schiavo, Redux..... (0+ / 0-)

                      ....except that the left has its own subset of issues related towards mandating moral and lifestyle purity.  I sympathize with you losing your father, but attempting to legislate "naughty" lifestyle choices out of existence is bad public policy from every possible angle....and makes an instant hypocrite out of you when you intend to make a children's health care program entirely dependent upon the continuity of said "naughty" lifestyle choice.

      •  No the story would be (1+ / 0-)
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        Fascist, corporate-elite party member becomes so outraged at the swiftboating of a 12-year old boy that he decides to support program for those less fortunate...

        That would be a story.

        January 20. 2009 cannot come soon enough.

        by Crisis Corps Volunteer on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 08:11:22 AM PDT

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