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  •  These are the kind of "Obstructionist"" tactics.. (5+ / 0-)

    ...that Republicans used to beat Democrats over the head with!  When is our Democratic "Leadership" going to pull their heads out of thaeir asses long enough to realize that Republicans don't fight fair?!?  The way to deal with these fucks is to crush them under our boots.  No matter what you think of such tactics, that is the only way we will ever earn even a miniscule amount of respect from those thugs...

    •  It should also be noted... (11+ / 0-)

      that these are the tactics that many Democrats felt were crucial to beating Republicans in 2006.

      By the 109th Congress, Democrats had become skilled in offering pointed, wedge issue motions to recommit too.

      The only problem was that Republicans held very, very tightly together with their leadership, and defeated pretty much every single one. Maybe even all of them.

      There are two ways of looking at that. If you're a Democrat, you say the Republicans are robots, and they all vote the party line no matter what. If you're a Republican, you say motions to recommit are partisan b.s., not part of the regular, deliberative process of legislating public policy, and should be dismissed as the stunts they are.

      But either way, Democratic incumbents and challengers alike used the Republicans' votes on those motions to recommit to draw political distinctions between the two parties for the 2006 elections. So many Democrats came to the majority in the 110th Congress with the belief that these motions to recommit are extremely sharp and powerful tools that can create highly targeted tools capable of making a real difference on the campaign trail.

      So when Democrats took up the helm in the House, they were determined not to step into the same "trap," and have been much less firm in requiring their members to reject Republican motions to recommit, not wanting to see them beat up on the 2008 campaign trail over voting the "wrong way" on a critical wedge issue.

      As a result, though, party discipline on motions to recommit is a bit loose, and therefore difficult to reestablish when things get dicey. That's the downside of not being a bunch of party line robots. When everyone gets to think for themselves, all kinds of outcomes become possible. And some of them suck.

      •  What seems weird is that Federalist 14 isn't (1+ / 0-)
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        holding here. The Republican Party, having successfully attained a near homogeneous minority is kicking butt. Madison postulates that such assemblies must inevitably break. I find it interesting that the Republican Party has held together on every issue so uniformly.

        Our party likes to let people think what they want, and I like that idea better, but still, you have to wonder who gets rewarded here.

        Edited for world peace... at least in the blogosphere.

        by bhagamu on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 12:43:55 PM PDT

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