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  •  That's not necessarily fascism (3+ / 0-)
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    It's the final state of any laissez-faire capitalism or of a failed market economy, and it also characterizes mercantilism and (often) imperialism. And of course, the Socialist states peculiar to Russia and China.

    A lot of it depends on how the melding occurs, but the end result is invariably ugly.

    No laws but Liberty. No king but Conscience.

    by oldjohnbrown on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 07:55:33 PM PDT

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    •  The tragedy of it is (1+ / 0-)
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      that without imperialism or other such thing, we would not be left to enjoy the splendor that grand wealth has wrought. Be it Newport, Rhode Island, the ancient estates of Britain, the Louvre or St. Peter's -

      Without such concentrated (and unfair) wealth, would any of these, and other monuments, have happened.

      A paradox?

      "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possibilities." -- Winston Churchill

      by Spud1 on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 08:09:29 PM PDT

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      •  I have heard the argument (2+ / 0-)
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        that great art only comes in such régimes. As a fan of another graduate of the Frankfurt School, Theodor Adorno, I reject that. It's true that there would be fewer of the great old works of architecture, but somehow Grand Central Station, the Empire State Building and the Golden Gate Bridge got built, for the most part, without all that baggage.

        The fact that the human spirit will find a way to create beauty amidst the most crushing despair or the most rotten decadence excuses neither as tolerable states of existence.

        No laws but Liberty. No king but Conscience.

        by oldjohnbrown on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 08:29:43 PM PDT

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        •  Grand Central TERMINAL, but great (2+ / 0-)
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          examples of cooperative human endeavors.

          But note that all these represent an American ideal of INDUSTRY. I was just reading a short piece about public spaces in Europe as contrasted by the real lack of them in U.S. cities, at least for the past 100 years.

          Most towns around Maine have a "square" or common place(s), which are sorely lacking in many more modern U.S. towns and cities. Perhaps they are in Europe too.

          "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possibilities." -- Winston Churchill

          by Spud1 on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 08:35:27 PM PDT

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          •  The square was a commons, (1+ / 0-)
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            which is what one would expect to find in a "commonwealth."

            They became "squares" and "greens" when the old communitarian ethic got replaced. New towns don't have them because they've never had the ethics or the politics (nor, to be fair, the widespread ownership of livestock) to even consider having them.

            No laws but Liberty. No king but Conscience.

            by oldjohnbrown on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 10:34:31 AM PDT

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