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  •  well, you are in a minority of.... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...about one.  

    but, hey, i commend your bravery for actually coming to their defense in a place where all, including yours truly, find them to be murderers and war-criminals...

    i agree, however, that i don't think anyone in or out of the bush crime family thought they could so sufficiently break the us military this quickly in order to replace it with corporate troops!  that includes prince, who probably thought the crime family would be about 25% effective in breaking it all to shit...at least in the first five year window.

    prince is the perfect corporatist!  if he weren't, there would be derivative suits against him on behalf of the shareholders!  

    it is all perfect madness...

    •  What's the alternative? Look, I believe we... (2+ / 0-)
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      shouldn't be in Iraq...and felt that way, with articulable reasons, way before most of the rest of the herd.  I've served there, often.  But we're there, for the long term, unless either Kucinich or Paul gets elected.  Do you think another 30,000 troops should be sent to Iraq to perform PSD functions?  It would be a huge boon to Blackwater.  They'd have their people there for the next year anyway during the trainup, and since they have by far the largest training facility and the most qualified PSD instructors....they'd probably get the contract to train the new US units scheduled to replace them.  

      People here are getting the vapors over standard contracting procedures, they attack Blackwater while lauding the Dems who pay them, support Dems who voted to go to Iraq and refuse to end this war, and don't seem to understand that removing Blackwater means sending lots more troops and would probably earn even more money for Prince.

      I've been consistent in advocating 300,000+ troops, or almost none at all.  Every other stance is ignorant of what the fuck is going on in Iraq.  This feeding frenzy over B-water is a means of salving consciences over their role in this debacle.

      To avoid starting dumb wars, punish the dumb people who vote for them.

      by joesig on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 07:46:23 AM PDT

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      •  my alternative.... (0+ / 0-)

        ...remains as it has been since 2003:

      • immediately leave iraq * apologize profusely to the world community

        * promise to never illegally invade and occupy in the future

        * pay retributions to iraq in an amount determined by the world community

        * apologize more

        * investigate violations of domestic laws, e.g. the war crimes act of 1996

        * author a security council resolution to investigate bush war crimes at a New Nuremberg Trial
      • but, hey, besides you, no one has asked me...

        •  I agree. For a few reasons. First, I'm a full.. (2+ / 0-)
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          time worker in the fight against terrorism.  Wars against countries are wars of attrition. Wars against ideas are wars of recruitment.  If recruitment is up, we're losing.  Down, we're winning.  It's not much more complicated than that.

          So your ideas are powerful weapons against al qa'ida recruitment efforts.  As a test case, we should close Gitmo and apologize.  It doesn't really matter if we send 'em all home, or send 'em all to Supermax.  It will be a strike against recruitment.  

          The tsunami in the Pacific has been our most successful anti-terrorist campaign yet.  We surged to help an Islamic country, it was noticed, and it was appreciated.  It was a victory against recruitment...the only kind that matters.

          I'm probably going to have to leave this site soon.  Ron Paul is the only one talking any sense on Iraq.  It's more than just leaving.  It's understanding that they are recruiting based on identifiable issues as opposed to a blind hatred of the west.  No one on the Dem side has the courage to say that.

          To avoid starting dumb wars, punish the dumb people who vote for them.

          by joesig on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 01:09:17 PM PDT

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      •  that is an interesting intuition... (1+ / 0-)
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        This feeding frenzy over B-water is a means of salving consciences over their role in this debacle.

        i like it...  it has merit, and, i think you are on to something there...

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