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  •  I understand your POV (1+ / 0-)
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    RenaRF

    and don't entirely disagree with it; this is a complicated situation, IMO, with good arguments on all sides. What disturbs me isn't that people disagree on this stuff, it's that the disagreement comes out in a lot of places as "This is the stupidest thing ever, what are people thinking, what a bunch of morons" namecalling etc.

    •  I have to admit. (1+ / 0-)
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      cpresley
      I don't enjoy namecallers.  Yet I do believe it's one of the stupidest, most ill-timed things I've seen in a long time, and I'm beside myself that it's coming from our side.
      •  Stupid and hypocritical? You betcha. Useless? No! (1+ / 0-)
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        RenaRF

        If it provokes the Turks into ending their logistical support for the immoral US occupation in Iraq, then I'm all for it. What Congress lacks the guts to do-- defund the occupation-- may then be accomplished for us by the Turks making continued occupation logistically untenable.

        If it gives the Turks further reason to get on with their incursion into Iraqi Kurdistan, then I'm all for it. The American pretense that its occupation is protecting Iraqi territorial integrity and sovereignty will be shattered if the US can't even stop invasion by a NATO ally. It will give the Maliki government further reason to demand the US leaves.

        The sad irony is that the 27 Congressmen voting for the resolution probably never dreamed their action would have these consequences, and in bringing the resolution to a full House vote Pelosi may not be aware of it either.

        •  It a bubble perhaps, I would agree (0+ / 0-)

          with your points.  Particularly your first - because it kind of implies that Turkey's withdrawal of logistical support allows for NO logistical support which would then consequently shut down the war.  Yet that won't happen.  The US will absolutely find alternate air bases and methods and GWB will ask for more funds and when (and if) the Democrats push back, they'll strike back by saying it costs more because of the action of a Democratically-controlled Congress.  The nuance that it costs incrementally (and perhaps insubstantially) more as a result will be lost.  They may be on the ropes, but the Republicans know a golden opportunity when the Democrats literally hurl it at their heads.

          To your second point, I would definitely think that regarding Turkey, it IS American influence (which doesn't make it right, mind you) that has kept Turkey from heading into Northern Iraq.  And while I admire your spirit, the idea that anything the Maliki government asks for carries weight is laughable.

          I do hope that some subset of Congresspeople didn't anticipate the consequences of their actions - but frankly, those must be the denser members.  There was absolutely information available well in advance of the resolution itself that indicated precisely the outcome that seems to be occurring.  Not for nothing, much of that analysis came from the White House itself and were backed up by a variety of news analyses.  The fact that Demcoratic leadership has seemingly done the same thing they accuse Bushco of doing (when they went into Iraq and expected flowers and candy) in failing to anticipate an obvious likely outcome doesn't speak well for them in the best of circumstances.

          No offense meant with my comment - I just couldn't disagree with you more.

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