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  •  see this linky (0+ / 0-)

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye Who cheer when soldier lads march by, Sneak home and pray you'll never know The hell where youth and laughter go.

    by Oregon guy on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 11:58:12 PM PDT

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    •  Link to Iran Defence Industry website (0+ / 0-)

      http://www.diomil.ir/...

      The markings (and caliber) are indistinguishable from a NATO round.

      You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye Who cheer when soldier lads march by, Sneak home and pray you'll never know The hell where youth and laughter go.

      by Oregon guy on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:16:04 AM PDT

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      •  The bastards even use our color codes! (0+ / 0-)

        You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye Who cheer when soldier lads march by, Sneak home and pray you'll never know The hell where youth and laughter go.

        by Oregon guy on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:22:10 AM PDT

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        •  Okay, but (0+ / 0-)

          ... why the MM/DD/YYYY date then? And I'm kind of skeptical - wouldn't the English site have it in English anyway? I tried checking the Farsi side but it's under construction.

          "A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

          by Hobelhouse on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:23:28 AM PDT

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          •  You'd think that the Iranians (0+ / 0-)

            would be supplying munitions the insurgents can read, anyway.

            "A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

            by Hobelhouse on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:24:28 AM PDT

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          •  It's because (1+ / 0-)
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            we sell the weapons to a third party, who then resells the weapons to Iran.  We can't let a little thing like a defining war for civilization upset the arms trade.  That's money in the pocket for our big donors.

            We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Benjamin Franklin -5.13/-3.38

            by Grannus on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:32:16 AM PDT

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            •  still (0+ / 0-)

              how can we prove Iran sold it then?

              "A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

              by Hobelhouse on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:48:36 AM PDT

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              •  We can't. (2+ / 0-)
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                They are sold in bazaar's all over the Middle East.  You can buy anything you want if you have the money.  They may come from Iran, but it doesn't mean from the government.  It's like buying a rifle in Virginia and going to Michigan with it to hold up a bank.  Is Virginia supplying bank robbers with guns?  Technically yes, but in reality, no.

                We sent the cash to Iraq in bundles of $100's, which promptly got lost.  We sent 190,000 weapons to Iraq, which promptly got lost.  When those weapons start showing up, do we bomb Washington DC?  They supplied them to the insurgents and supplied the cash to buy them also.

                We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Benjamin Franklin -5.13/-3.38

                by Grannus on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:05:50 AM PDT

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                •  Ordnance is even worse (1+ / 0-)
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                  The entire system is built to cater to shadowy deals - because that's how governments fund dirty wars with no accountability. Go read about end-user certificates and what-not sometime.

                  Also - its entirely possible that the pics are just stock photos. Its pretty common to see ordnance ID photos of "Egyptian" mortar rounds, say, but the pic will be of the (same design) Chinese mortar round, maybe with Arabic markings crudely drawn on, and sometimes maybe not. The idea is to understand which piece of ordnance you're dealing with - and to know what kind of filler is inside.

                  There's no way of knowing about the provenance of these 81 mm rounds - other than to say that, per Jane's, Iran uses the 81 mm round. Mind you, we still have 81 mm rounds in arsenals dating to the 1950's, and in the 1950's we sold mortar rounds to countries we aren't too friendly with anymore, like Iran.

                  The publication of this information AT THIS TIME - definitely psyops.

                  You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye Who cheer when soldier lads march by, Sneak home and pray you'll never know The hell where youth and laughter go.

                  by Oregon guy on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:24:13 AM PDT

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