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  •  The problem is (1+ / 0-)
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    this is pure speculation without a shred of evidence. A whole lot of speculation. Zero evidence.

    If you had one person, just one, come forward and so much as hint at blackmail, you might have at least something to hang your theory on. But all you have is a suspicion.

    And, you're suggesting that this new enemies list includes the entire Dem leadership and much of the rank and file, and that all of whom are being kept mum by some kind of nefarious threat?

    Sounds like a conspiracy.

    Now, has the White House bullied, threatened, and intimidated lawmakers, staffers, media producers, and journalists? Absolutely. That's been pretty much documented, and more is coming out.

    But NSA and FBI assisted blackmail? Sounds like something out of a movie. And unless you've got more than a hunch, you've really got nothing.

    •  I think it is worth discussing (3+ / 0-)
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      if for no other reason that it most assuredly will be a consequence of unrestrained surveillance.  That's the often we hear "its ok if you don't have anything to hide"...but most of us have things in our lives, past or present, that we would like to remain hidden.  If such information can be easily gotten from our leaders, then we have truly become corrupt.  This is why we must fight against wiretapping, etc.

      •  Then it's also worth discussing (0+ / 0-)

        the possibility that there is an international corporate cabal which finances entirely separate surveillance activities on behalf of the global monied interests.

        This organization, consisting of a handful of powerful and extremely wealthy families, controls the global economy, metes out sophisticated technologies where and when it sees fit, and wields influence in the politics of nearly every country in the world.

        In the United States, the world's foremost power, its tendrils reach everywhere.

        Pressure is kept on both Democrats and Republicans alike. In fact, the two parties are played off one another, kept in perpetual contrived conflict. This provides a kind bread and circus for the masses, to sustain the illusion that power is distributed democratically and that political life actually means something. When really, it doesn't.

        It's entirely possible that, with its own surveillance apparatus, this organization can plan leaks that might compromise individuals on either side of the aisle. The Foley, Craig, and other Republican disclosures may have been done to tip some of the power the Democrats' way, while simultaneously reminding them of what could happen if they upset the status quo too much.

        So, the inability of Democrats to turn their slim majorities in the House and Senate into resounding reversals of Bush policies, their failure to succeed in getting positive attention from a craven corporate media, and their unwillingness to respond to the clear signals sent from the blogs and the netroots can be now easily explained.

        They're being blackmailed by a vast international conspiracy to maintain a power structure that favors the elite, exploits the underprivileged, and denies the rights of vast swaths of humanity in order to provide sustenance for their large undersea crops of bio-engineered intelligent kelp, which will eventually take over the planet as part of a centuries-old plan initiated by ancient astronauts.

        •  Duh. We know about that one. (0+ / 0-)

          Here, have some salad.  Don't worry if it disagrees with you.  Opinionated greens, is all. <snark>

          "The angels left this nation, Salvation, caught the last train out tonight. He lost one Hell of a fight." - Bon Jovi.

          by rainmanjr on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:32:37 PM PDT

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          •  And green opinions (0+ / 0-)

            tend to be underripe, immature, and typically hard to digest. Unless one maintains a steady diet of them. I guess I don't.

            I'm not sure stating a case built on conjecture and speculation is all that productive, is all. It just ends up just feeding into the paranoid impulses of that subset of people who are already convinced that the worst has already happened.

            It's an imaginative exercise, a game of "what if," it's a diverting thing to do late at night. But as the basis for a realistic discussion of current politics, its foundation is so squishy it'll swallow you up.

        •  I worry if our citizens (1+ / 0-)
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          don't understand the real dangers of an executive branch that can use surveillance without oversight.  I'm not making accusations against anyone, but come on, human nature is what it is...

      •  Seems to make sense (5+ / 0-)

        Several people have mentioned this possibility.  The discussion goes nowhere and is called "a conspiracy theory." That puts a stop to it.  I remember when a few people wanted to discuss voting irregularities, but those discussions were shut down too.

        But I'm with you tjb22, it's the simplest, least complicated explanation for behavior that is confounding a whole nation (except redstaters).

        We know this administration has been spying on it's citizens for years.  Why would anyone think that they wouldn't be spying on "the opposition."  It's just stupid to think that it didn't happen.

        "Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid." Heinrich Heine (1797 - 1856)

        by maven98 on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 10:10:25 PM PDT

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    •  Anthrax (5+ / 0-)

      The anthrax attacks were aimed at Congress and the media. The investigation ended after it was determined to be from the US mil, but then the samples ordered destroyed. At least so I remember reading.

      Maybe Pete Stark hit the nail on the head.

      The Fink wants to be a King!

      by teresab on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:07:31 PM PDT

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