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  •  I was watching some (5+ / 0-)

    analysis the other night, sorry can't remember which one or the station, but it was definitely aobut that evangelical vote and how Guiliani is vying for it by getting all those neo cons on his campaign team to shift to the 'security' terrorism, go to war issue in hopes to 'woo' those evangelics aways from his 'liberal' social agenda.

    But then i read other analysis like this one, and I am not so convinved myself that Guilani's strategy has much of a chance in that regard, with the died in the wool supporters of Bush--yes, but with those evangelicals? I dunno.

    You are farther along than I am in asking your friends, right now, with the Governor's election coming up in a week and a half, our big issue with them is 'casino's' and gambling, which, very surprisingly they are NOT totally against and some even are supporting the Democratic candidate, Beshear, that is proposing Casino's over Fletcher.

    Don't know how the 2008 election will play out here though, but it doesn't look that bad YET!

    Ditch Mitch McConnell-do the country a favor http://www.ditchmitchky.com/

    by Wary on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 06:46:15 PM PDT

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    •  I know a few Evangelicals. (5+ / 0-)

      I was raised as a Southern Baptist, so I know a few of these sorts of voters.  Many of them do vote on just a few social issues without regard for other issues.  Others were wooed successfully by the GOP and will be Republicans for the rest of their lives, regardless of what the positions of any given candidate may have.  I think that a candidate like Guiliani could win a good number of Evangelicals, but I don't think that they're going to be as excited about him as they were about Bush.

      •  Now they see themselves screwed by the GOP. (4+ / 0-)
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        Almost literally.

        Push come to shove, Hillary Clinton will hug up to "Stand By Your Man" come some time in the summer of 2008.

        She'll remind the jumbo-church women that she did exactly what she had to do. Like what they admire, for loyalty.

        And then, by force, the SCHIP program will split the poor white families in the South and Midwest away from every carpet-bagging, oil/pharma/insurance sucking, Rush-phony coultergeist in the GOP.

        WIN 49 STATES IN 2008. 50 IF ITS ROMNEY !

        Dixie Chicks and Amy Winehouse. Imus and Lenny Bruce. Overcome evil with good.

        by vets74 on Sun Oct 28, 2007 at 09:11:28 AM PDT

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        •  And what will Hillary say if evangelicals repent? (2+ / 0-)
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          Christianity Today, the evangelical journal, has even posed the question of whether evangelicals should "repent" for their swift support of invading Iraq.

          If Hillary were to get the nomination and evangelicals were more or less to repent en masse for their support of the invasion, then where does that leave us? That leaves us to the left of evangelical Christians who are themselves to the left of our party's nominee on the most important issue of the day.

          That's an incredibly discouraging thought for anyone interested in reforming the Democratic party.

          "You can't talk to the ignorant about lies, since they have no criteria." --Ezra Pound

          by machopicasso on Sun Oct 28, 2007 at 11:00:28 AM PDT

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          •  How so ??? (0+ / 0-)

            What-say -- 25,000,000 Evangelicals register Democratic.

            You think the silly word games about the 2002/2003 herd mentality would matter ???

            Or that Hillary Clinton can't handle a 49- or 50-state victory ???

            Dixie Chicks and Amy Winehouse. Imus and Lenny Bruce. Overcome evil with good.

            by vets74 on Sun Oct 28, 2007 at 01:03:45 PM PDT

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            •  49 or 50 states? Please! (1+ / 0-)
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              Seriously, you folks referencing Hillary and a 49 or 50 state victory are more than a bit reality challenged. We'll be fortunate to eke out victory no matter who the nominee, and I seriously doubt it's going to be a landslide. I'd even wager us losing more states than we carry, but winning a narrow electoral victory by the matter of which states we carry.

              A 49 or 50 state sweep is reality challenged to say the least. Get out the echo chamber for a few minutes.

              The Republican Creed: Pray and Pass the Ammunition

              by johninPortland on Sun Oct 28, 2007 at 04:11:18 PM PDT

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              •  Gee, Nixon and Reagan had "negatives" too. (0+ / 0-)

                And like Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, they were first-rate campaigners. Sweeps in 1972 and 1984.

                Look what Hillary has done to Obama and Edwards.

                And they both started out as much better public speakers, they had minimal "negative" baggage, and they have equally attractive spouses.

                She has bulldozed them both.

                Pity the poor Republican, running with a split-up party.

                Yeah, 49- or 50-state victory.

                Doable.

                Dixie Chicks and Amy Winehouse. Imus and Lenny Bruce. Overcome evil with good.

                by vets74 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 05:08:15 AM PDT

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