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  •  Somebody please explain (0+ / 0-)

    the furor over immigration to me.

    Yes, it's a very serious issue, and a complicated one.  But illegal immigration and all of the associated concerns have been going on, to a greater or lesser degree, forever.

    Why have the Republicans decided now (or in the last year or two) that it's about to spell the end of the Republic?

    •  because they're about controlling costs (1+ / 0-)
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      and illegals, in their mind, cost money for services. The benefits of low prices, unfilled jobs being filled, etc never gets mentioned.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:15:17 PM PDT

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      •  Is it really economic? (1+ / 0-)
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        Or is it mostly xenophobia?

        •  mixture (3+ / 0-)
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          it not entirely xenophobia, and it's not all Republican.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:19:41 PM PDT

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          •  It's not, but if more immigrants voted republican (0+ / 0-)

            this wouldn't be an issue. It's unfortunate, I have seen some of the wonderful things that the 1986 Amnesty bill brought about - but it's never in the corporate media. Immigration is a big issue for some voters, and for years the repuplicans tried to say they opposed it while taking money from the industries that rely upon it.

            . There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS. Mahatma Gandhi

            by Sacramento Dem on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:35:34 PM PDT

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            •  actually, it was heading that way (2+ / 0-)
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              In 2000, 30% of latinos voted for Bush.  In 2004, it was 40%.  He was really making good headway with the community, until the Tancredo wing of the GOP started freaking out about it.

              I sometimes wonder if they just need someone to hate.

              Osama bin Laden thought Americans were cowards. He was wrong. We're fools.

              by Leggy Starlitz on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:44:02 PM PDT

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        •  the economic angle (2+ / 0-)
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          I saw a bumper sticker the other day that says "At least the war on the middle class is going well".  Life's been hard for the middle class... wages are stagnant, fixed and semi-fixed costs like fuel, health care, and education are increasing at double-digit rates, job security is down, and now many are stuck with too much debt and dwindling property values.

          They need a scapegoat.  So the economic angle LEADS to the xenophobic angle.  They're looking for someone to blame, not solutions to the real problems, which are more existential in nature.

          Osama bin Laden thought Americans were cowards. He was wrong. We're fools.

          by Leggy Starlitz on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:33:50 PM PDT

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    •  cultural diversity (3+ / 0-)
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      The GOP, more and more, is becoming the party of rural/suburban white people.  Urban whites at least have to rub elbows with people from other cultures, so they're more tolerant.  But people who live in culturally isolated areas are frightened by the unfamiliar.

      Osama bin Laden thought Americans were cowards. He was wrong. We're fools.

      by Leggy Starlitz on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:30:32 PM PDT

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      •  cultural hatred (0+ / 0-)

        The "face" of the GOP is also becoming southern, white, and low IQ.

        (Okay, I made up the low IQ part -- but it does have the "ring" of truth.)

        The days of the Democratic south are finished.

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        Fascism ought to more properly be called Corporatism since it is the merger of state and corporate power. - Mussolini

        by Pluto on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 01:00:30 PM PDT

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    •  To understand some of the blowback (1+ / 0-)
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      But illegal immigration and all of the associated concerns have been going on, to a greater or lesser degree, forever.

      On this subject, I would suggest that one of the first stops be Estimates of the Size and Characteristics of the Undocumented Population.

      Pay particular attention to "Figure 3.  Period of Arrival for the Undocumented Population:  March 2004"

      Keeping in mind that this data is based estimates using the Current Population Survey, and that the rapid increase coincides very nicely with the passage of NAFTA.

      <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

      by superscalar on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:32:53 PM PDT

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    •  It's also the one issue they can (1+ / 0-)
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      look tough on and reward their base while acting so. They tried cowboy chest-thumping diplomacy internationally and it backfired tragically; they can't get tough on health care, because it would mean eating their own (Big Pharm, etc.), and there's no bogeyman or scapegoat to fight with climate change and many other issues (because the bogeyman is their own creation). But with immigration, it's the dangerous brown people who are tearing our nation apart. Build more and higher walls, hire more security along the border (all of this work contracted out of course). Anyone who's looked at the issue seriously will tell you higher walls won't work (higher walls just mean higher ladders), nor does increased enforcement (most come through on visas anyway, not thru the desert). If we worked with Mexico and Central American nations to provide micro-loans and some of the other entrepreneurial programs taking root elsewhere, people wouldn't be forced outta their 10-cents-a-day reality. Hell, I'd be coming here too. But that kind of assistance doesn't fit the Tom Trancredo macho text. Bastards.

      "One cannot be pessimistic about the West. This is the native land of hope." Wallace Stegner

      by Mother Mags on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:47:08 PM PDT

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