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  •  Not clear that would have worked (4+ / 0-)

    I'm not so sure that would have worked.  There was very nearly a military coup against the Emperor as is -- much of the military wanted to go on fighting, even if it meant city after city being incinerated.  

    Given how close it was as is, I'm not a demonstration bomb would have tipped the Emperor into surrender, or would have left enough of the military willing to go along with it.

    •  Of Course - (1+ / 0-)
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      A Mad Mad World

      It was never tried, was it?

      As to those who say that the U.S. only had two bombs.
      There were three in August,
      Three more due in Sept.
      And three more for Oct.

      The U.S. could have easily used one or two bombs for demonstration.
      But they didn't.

      They the "saved millions of lives" argument fails -
      since no attempt was made to demonstrate the weapon
      and STILL avoid the need for invasion.

      Source - The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II, A Collection of Primary Sources, (pdf). National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 162. The George Washington University (1945-08-13).

      •  Japan had over a million men in China (1+ / 0-)
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        When the bomnb was dropped. Just tearing up the place. Youve heard of the Rape of Nanking? 250 thousand Chinese dead? More than both A bombs together?  Multiply that by  40 and you get close to the estimated number of total  Chinese dead--and this was going on the day the bombs werre dropped

        The Japanese killed a million Filipinos---this was going on the day the bomb was dropped.

        they had a half million men in the CBI theater fighti9ng there too---this ended the  day the bomb was dropped.

        They were looting and raping Vietnam the day the bomb was droopped, like they had the past 6 years.

        The japanese were using our POWs and others for Nazi like "medical experiments" the day the bomb was dropped.

        they'd kidnapped and raped 10s of thousands of Korean "comfort women" and that was going on the day the bombs were dropped.

        And all that stopped when they dropped two bombs.
        It sure ended a lot of ongoing Japanese brutality in a few days.
        While horrible, it was the only thing that would have ended the war in days.

        And the japanese never payed the price the Chinese, Filipinos and the rest of Asia paid for their brutal imperialism.

        " You don't need to be an icthyologist to know when a rotten fish stinks." Daniel Ellsberg, from "Secrets"

        by exlrrp on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 05:33:47 PM PDT

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        •  What Part of War Crimes - (2+ / 0-)
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          Do you not understand?

          The U.S. bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki -
          as well as the fire bombing of Japanese cities and the British/U.S. bombing of Dresden and Hamburg - had minimal military value against an already defeated enemy.

          Were these bombings revenge for the Blitz and for the Bataan Death March?
          For Pearl Harbor?  Perhaps.

          Were they a warning to Joe Stalin?  
          Again, perhaps.

          But, regardless, they were illegal and were war crimes - not under 2007 definitions of war crimes - but under then current understandings of what constituted crimes against humanity.

          Because our enemies commit war crimes, does that give us permission to do so?
          We had a moral obligation and the military power
          to do a demonstration of the power of the atomic bomb - first.  
          We failed to do so.

      •  Hiroshima was the example (1+ / 0-)
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        If they didn't surrender after that, why would they surrender after a "test."

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