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  •  We had IQ testing in 3rd grade, (5+ / 0-)

    but before then, Peggy had some friend practice on me, Mrs. Mitchell allowed me to goof off during reading group, etc.

    Iliked the way Lake Oswego handled the talented and gifted, for the most part.  There were 3 tracks, above average, average and below average, from jr. high on.  Before that, some of us wrote short stories or poems during reading group.  For one year, another girl and I spent half of the day in the library during penmanship and reading.  Our assignment was to write a poem about each student in the class (and these were respectful because they were used for penmanship practice in the classroom).  

    My major objection was that I never had help in "new math" because the teacher spent all of the time with kids who had trouble in math.  Though I had questions, I was left to figure it out myself.
    Or not.

    In my son's school district, women who volunteered always had their kids identified as talented, even though they didn't turn out to be so talented later in high school.  My son always missed out in this scoring because he was "only" at the 95th percentile instead of the 97th percentile required by the state standard.  So he didn't get the same enrichment until high school. The daughter of my friend dropped out of high school and was seriously suicidal because she "wasn't talented".  Your niece was put in the "dumb" reading group for 2 years by a teacher who didn't like her, until (whoops), she is tested and found to be brilliant. Her school had years of failing the No Child Left Behind stuff.

    •  In NYC, children will have to be... (3+ / 0-)
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      Alma, algebrateacher, Spoonfulofsugar the upper 95%.

      The Lopate Show is call-in. People can probably imagine that there were parents calling in with objections.  There was some especial concern about "high-stakes testing" of 4 year olds.

      I fail to see too much usefulness for starting G&T in kindergarten.  I'm sure someone may want to convince me otherwise.  But I think the socialization learned in kindergarten is necessary and separating out some of the students as different at the age of 5 may not be in their best interests.

      We also did no math...and little the G&T program.  It seemed mostly history-related.


      •  Socialization? (4+ / 0-)
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        While socialization is a desirable by product of education, it isn't by any means a guaranteed effect.  In fact, I didn't pick up most of my social skills until college and I had no gifted program to blame.  

        I tend to look at the long term.  No program is bad if it produces competent, independent adults at the very end.  Childhood is not some cookie cutter experience, the same for every child.  Some children start out intensely social, some become social later on.

        No more lies - IMPEACH!

        by Fabian on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 09:59:41 AM PDT

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        •  I only have my own childhood... (3+ / 0-)
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          ...and that of my daughter to rely upon.  We were both, in some way, outcasts.  More separation would have increased that, in my opinion, and made childhood more unbearable than it was.  

          •  Because we were in the above average track (3+ / 0-)
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            and not separated out, we felt normal for the most part.  The only time I felt wierd was the semester in 7th grade that I was asked to teach Aunt Peggy's experimental grammar to the rest of the class. The teacher had never learned this grammar which was based on mathematical models. I felt as though I was being asked to be a nerd.  Also, just because I am Peggy's niece did not mean I had any special knowledge of the program.  But I could study it.  

            All of the kids in this track had added art history and geography instruction, which contributed greatly to my knowledge of trivia.  It was enriching for a third of the school population, all of whom had the ability to be fairly high achievers.  It was not limited to a few, but expansive for many.

            •  I remember when Peggy gave me... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...the grammar stuff to look I should have an opinion about it

              I was a kid! :-)

              •  Has always interested me, at ten seconds a time, (1+ / 0-)
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                how many members of my family were teachers or seriously considered teaching as a career.  This is true on my mother's side as well.

                We're also all so damn smart and come up with weird things, like grammar based on mathematics.

                Must be a gene.

                (For anyone reading this, rserven and frosti are my cousins on my Dad's side.)

                Hunter S. Thompson wrote, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." I want to know who has been getting my checks all these years.

                by algebrateacher on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 01:42:52 PM PDT

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